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Teddy Eagle 29 Feb 20 8.49pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Unless strategies are tested in comparable situations whether they are "right" or not will always be a matter of opinion. I would rather trust the opinions of the professionals at the Home Office than the editors of competing tabloids trying to sell newspaper. If such a report hasn't been released it must have been because it was considered not in the public interest to do so. Compare that to Johnson's decision not to release the Intelligence Committee's report into Russian interference in the 2016 referendum prior to the 2019 election! That was 100% in the government's interest. But it hasn’t been released to the minister responsible so whose decision is it? The Home Office or a member of Parliament?
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Teddy Eagle 29 Feb 20 8.51pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Of course. Hence the word "sometimes". And this is different because...?
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Feb 20 9.58pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
But it hasn’t been released to the minister responsible so whose decision is it? The Home Office or a member of Parliament? I have no idea at what level the decision has been taken but assume at PM or Cabinet level. Nothing I have seen suggests that it has been withheld from the Home Secretary but with if what is being suggested about Patel is only half true then maybe it is. I don't know anymore than anyone else what the research has discovered but I can well understand the need for some things to be kept away from the headline writers and thought through quietly and away from the glare of instant responses.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Feb 20 10.05pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
And this is different because...?
Different set of issues. You need to be an experienced farmer to understand farming. Location can therefore matter. Not too many farmers in London. You just need to be a thinking human being to form an opinion about how people react to things. Location is not relevant to the thinking process. Some can even do it in Wisbech.
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Teddy Eagle 29 Feb 20 10.10pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I have no idea at what level the decision has been taken but assume at PM or Cabinet level. Nothing I have seen suggests that it has been withheld from the Home Secretary but with if what is being suggested about Patel is only half true then maybe it is. I don't know anymore than anyone else what the research has discovered but I can well understand the need for some things to be kept away from the headline writers and thought through quietly and away from the glare of instant responses. The papers have nothing to do with it. This is the minister responsible for the department concerned.
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Teddy Eagle 29 Feb 20 10.11pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Different set of issues. You need to be an experienced farmer to understand farming. Location can therefore matter. Not too many farmers in London. You just need to be a thinking human being to form an opinion about how people react to things. Location is not relevant to the thinking process. Some can even do it in Wisbech. Except it’s denying others’ lived experience.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Feb 20 10.39pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
The papers have nothing to do with it. This is the minister responsible for the department concerned. I covered that. I have not seen anything that suggests Patel has not been kept informed, indeed I cannot see how that could be done, but from what is being suggested can see what it might be wise. All the reports I have read are about the decision not to publish or respond to a FOI request on the grounds of the public interest not being served to do so.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Feb 20 10.49pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Except it’s denying others’ lived experience. No it's not. No-one is denying anyone's "lived" experience. What I have suggested is that you don't have to live anything in particular to have lived and to understand the human condition. Indeed being close to any event may cause you to see things from a specific perspective and cause emotional rather than rational responses.
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Teddy Eagle 29 Feb 20 10.52pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I covered that. I have not seen anything that suggests Patel has not been kept informed, indeed I cannot see how that could be done, but from what is being suggested can see what it might be wise. All the reports I have read are about the decision not to publish or respond to a FOI request on the grounds of the public interest not being served to do so. But this is their opportunity to exonerate those being wrongly accused. Maybe the photographs of those convicted weren’t so confusing after all.
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Teddy Eagle 29 Feb 20 11.12pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
No it's not. No-one is denying anyone's "lived" experience. What I have suggested is that you don't have to live anything in particular to have lived and to understand the human condition. Indeed being close to any event may cause you to see things from a specific perspective and cause emotional rather than rational responses. That sounds like Mr. Spock. Are you saying that anyone living in close proximity to certain events is too emotionally invested to have an opinion? I’ve never lived in Cornwall - does that mean I know more about what to change, and how everyone should react to everything, than the people who do?
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 01 Mar 20 10.20am | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
That sounds like Mr. Spock. Are you saying that anyone living in close proximity to certain events is too emotionally invested to have an opinion? I’ve never lived in Cornwall - does that mean I know more about what to change, and how everyone should react to everything, than the people who do? On things which require specific knowledge, like fishing, tourism or farming, no. On things like how communities react to innuendo, stigma and divisiveness your opinion is as valid as any other. Indeed might be more valid than one which is emotionally charged.
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Teddy Eagle 01 Mar 20 10.52am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
On things which require specific knowledge, like fishing, tourism or farming, no. On things like how communities react to innuendo, stigma and divisiveness your opinion is as valid as any other. Indeed might be more valid than one which is emotionally charged. Its not innuendo. It’s fact. These things are happening. If it’s wrong to stigmatise drug dealers and gang members or find muggings and stabbings divisive then you’re absolutely right. Everyone should just calm down about the situation.
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