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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 11 May 17 3.21pm

As Labour leader, Gordon Brown was incessantly vilified. His way of speaking was mocked. His efforts to offset the banking crisis created by casino style speculators in the city suddenly turned into blaming Labour for overspending on public services to create the deficit. Similarly, Ed Miliband was reviled as not being a 'patriot', for being unable to eat a bacon sandwich gracefully, for being too left wing and lacking the qualities a 'leader' needs. The media had no interest in Labour's policies. Now, in 2017, it is the same as it ever was. Unless Labour offers a right wing, Tory agenda it will be constantly attacked as not fit to run the country. The ruling elite - the establishment - wants their Tory party in charge.

 

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CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 11 May 17 3.26pm Send a Private Message to CambridgeEagle Add CambridgeEagle as a friend

Originally posted by dannyh

Spoken like a true lefty, if people don't agree with you they must be dumb. Sanctimonious just doesn't cut it.

You've cited two links to the most Lefty/Liberal news paper on the planet, and expect me to take that as proof what you're saying is correct.

Tell me would you believe a load of Jackanory Bullsh1t about immigration and johnny foreigner nicking our jobs if it was published in the Daily Nazi (sorry Mail) No ? and neither would I, so don't insult my intelligence with some hackneyed old crap from the Guardian.

Cheers.

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Not in the Guardian. Shows clearly Tory vs Labour record on public sector borrowing. Source is House of Commons Library for the data. Fairly uncontroversial.


Also the Guardian stories were both clearly sourced so you should consider the credibility of the sources. Sources are Health Foundation, Royal College of Nursing, Resolution Foundation and TUC. Two of those are independent think tanks and their analysis is based on public data and stated government policy plus Bank of England inflation projections. Hardly Hackneyed old crap. More like serious issues which sorely need addressing.

 

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serial thriller Flag The Promised Land 11 May 17 3.32pm Send a Private Message to serial thriller Add serial thriller as a friend

Originally posted by dannyh

First, i'll hold me hands up and admit i was wrong... [Link] ... the richest thousand people have increased their wealth by 80 BILLION, not 40.

So what about the poor? Well i've provided you with information from the Resolution Foundation and the IFS who have both meticulously detailed how badly average wages have falled in real terms this decade. The Rowntree Foundation, another non-governmental, bipartisan group, have similar findings. You are welcome to question all three, but unless you have your own findings, or a more credible source to counter, you shouldn't just blindly claim they have vested interests. That's just superstition, as opposed to proper thorough criticism.

Blair was undeniably a war criminal, but then this government has supported and aided numerous regimes who are also responsible for war crimes, mainly the Saudis in Yemen. What they are also doing which Blair didnt do however, is conducting what is the biggest political heist in modern UK history. Let me say it one more time: in the worst decade for wages in post war Britain, the top 1000 in this country have increased their wealth by 80 billion pounds. That's why so many are funding the Tory's campaign, that's why the Toroes WILL use Brexit as a means of tipping the balance even further towards them, while those in work use food banks and ex servicemen can't find a roof over their heads.

They must be absolutely laughing.

 


If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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Lyons550 Flag Shirley 11 May 17 3.56pm Send a Private Message to Lyons550 Add Lyons550 as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

It is, it'll give the Tories time to adjust theirs so they don't look like the heartless b******s they are.


Surely it can only have been someone from with Labour that's done it?

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 11 May 17 4.24pm

Originally posted by Lyons550


Surely it can only have been someone from with Labour that's done it?

Indeed. A few in the Labour Party don't like Corbyn making labour a party for workers. c***s

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 11 May 17 4.31pm

Originally posted by elgrande

To be fair you are not wrong,but we don't know how much the fares would be now if it was still British Rail.
And the trains were nearly always filthy..? if they ran.
But I take your point,about foreign companies...one thing I hated about that government..selling the utilities.

No much change, except it seems to have gotten more expensive proportionally. Transportation is a necessary functionality and it should be at least controlled by the state. We could resolve a lot of the problems of traffic congestion with decent affordable (or even fully subsidised) public transport - and everyone would benefit.

Employees would find it easier and cheaper to get to work, businesses wouldn't need to provide their own extensive car parking options, traffic congestion would reduce and they'd be less pollution.

Free (or very cheap), decent, public transport for all.

Its absurd that it costs less to drive into town than it does to get the f**king bus.

The only losers would be car manufacturers, maybe.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 11 May 17 4.33pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Indeed. A few in the Labour Party don't like Corbyn making labour a party for workers. c***s

The New Labour faction. The same people the people who are complaining about Corbyn not representing, complained about.

 


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elgrande Flag bedford 11 May 17 4.36pm Send a Private Message to elgrande Add elgrande as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

No much change, except it seems to have gotten more expensive proportionally. Transportation is a necessary functionality and it should be at least controlled by the state. We could resolve a lot of the problems of traffic congestion with decent affordable (or even fully subsidised) public transport - and everyone would benefit.

Employees would find it easier and cheaper to get to work, businesses wouldn't need to provide their own extensive car parking options, traffic congestion would reduce and they'd be less pollution.

Free (or very cheap), decent, public transport for all.

Its absurd that it costs less to drive into town than it does to get the f**king bus.

The only losers would be car manufacturers, maybe.

But who subsidises it jamie,if it's the government then ultimately we do.

 


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elgrande Flag bedford 11 May 17 4.41pm Send a Private Message to elgrande Add elgrande as a friend

But then I don't use public transport that much,once a fortnight from Bedford to norwood junction,which costs £28,which let's be fair is not a lot.
but the one thing that really pisses me off is I can never get a seat.
Same train every fortnight and always only 4 carriages.

 


always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 11 May 17 5.04pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by elgrande

To be fair you are not wrong,but we don't know how much the fares would be now if it was still British Rail.
And the trains were nearly always filthy..? if they ran.
But I take your point,about foreign companies...one thing I hated about that government..selling the utilities.

The slam door trains were always filthy but privatisation started years after in 97 when newer automatic door trains were everywhere. It would've been a waste of time cleaning those filthy slam door trains. I don't notice the difference between automatic door trains pre and post 97. Punctuality on the other hand..... I do remember trains being late a lot more.

Any slam doors still about? Last one I went on was West Ham play off final in Cardiff. Always a bit of a novelty what with going from Norwood, up over the thamesljnk line I think and then somehow over westwards.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 11 May 17 5.08pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

The slam door trains were always filthy but privatisation started years after in 97 when newer automatic door trains were everywhere. It would've been a waste of time cleaning those filthy slam door trains. I don't notice the difference between automatic door trains pre and post 97. Punctuality on the other hand..... I do remember trains being late a lot more.

Any slam doors still about? Last one I went on was West Ham play off final in Cardiff. Always a bit of a novelty what with going from Norwood, up over the thamesljnk line I think and then somehow over westwards.

But you could also smoke on many of them, which was a plus. They phased them out on the Waterloo to Reading line fairly recently (last 10 years or so).

They used to have the little passageway with the compartments off them, with the sliding doors. Straight out of Cracker and Prime Suspect.

 


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susmik Flag PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 11 May 17 5.09pm Send a Private Message to susmik Add susmik as a friend

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

I can't remember the detail but when that was debated on here didn't it turn out to be an incredibly misleading stat?

Quite right it was proved to be a load of crap as is all of Terry Christian's biased editorials and programs. A real Labour merchant and in a real Labour rag!

 


Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

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