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HKOwen Hong Kong 22 Feb 24 12.44am
Originally posted by Matov Absolutely. Disgraceful behaviour from the Speaker. Going against accepted conventions. Out of interest, and this is a loaded question, when Bercow did similar by way of going against similar conventions over Brexit did you object then? Indeed, Hoyle comes from a Labour family and at the end of the day would do what Labour want. His peerage at risk Bercow was just a self serving sh1te desperate for elevation What is absurd is that this whole mess arose from the SNP wanting a vote on something which is not only outside the UK but also something the UK cannot influence. The root cause is the emergence of sectarian politics in the UK and Labour being reliant on muslim support in many areas. Rochdale by election not far away but Starmer has already given away the seat, he is thinking about the coming general election Edited by HKOwen (22 Feb 2024 12.44am) Edited by HKOwen (22 Feb 2024 12.48am) Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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Hong Kong 22 Feb 24 12.44am

Originally posted by Matov

Absolutely. Disgraceful behaviour from the Speaker. Going against accepted conventions.

Out of interest, and this is a loaded question, when Bercow did similar by way of going against similar conventions over Brexit did you object then?

Indeed, Hoyle comes from a Labour family and at the end of the day would do what Labour want.

His peerage at risk

Bercow was just a self serving sh1te desperate for elevation

What is absurd is that this whole mess arose from the SNP wanting a vote on something which is not only outside the UK but also something the UK cannot influence.

The root cause is the emergence of sectarian politics in the UK and Labour being reliant on muslim support in many areas.

Rochdale by election not far away but Starmer has already given away the seat, he is thinking about the coming general election

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Stirlingsays 22 Feb 24 6.56am
Originally posted by HKOwen Indeed, Hoyle comes from a Labour family and at the end of the day would do what Labour want. His peerage at risk Bercow was just a self serving sh1te desperate for elevation What is absurd is that this whole mess arose from the SNP wanting a vote on something which is not only outside the UK but also something the UK cannot influence. The root cause is the emergence of sectarian politics in the UK and Labour being reliant on muslim support in many areas. Rochdale by election not far away but Starmer has already given away the seat, he is thinking about the coming general election Edited by HKOwen (22 Feb 2024 12.44am) Edited by HKOwen (22 Feb 2024 12.48am) Sounds about right. The left rely upon imports to win certain areas for short term voting gain (most minorities always voting against majority interest). However, this Labour self interest works against the country as a whole and alienates those parts of the country from the rest of the country. It's only a matter of time before Islamic self interest groups form their own parties and turn on Labour. It's just a matter of numbers within a given area...They are far far more socially conservative than even the right wing of the Labour party.....As Jewish activist organisations are finding out with minority groups themselves, which they heavily promoted. The meme about the left ultimately destroying everything they touch is an accurate one for me. Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Feb 2024 8.29am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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22 Feb 24 6.56am

Originally posted by HKOwen

Indeed, Hoyle comes from a Labour family and at the end of the day would do what Labour want.

His peerage at risk

Bercow was just a self serving sh1te desperate for elevation

What is absurd is that this whole mess arose from the SNP wanting a vote on something which is not only outside the UK but also something the UK cannot influence.

The root cause is the emergence of sectarian politics in the UK and Labour being reliant on muslim support in many areas.

Rochdale by election not far away but Starmer has already given away the seat, he is thinking about the coming general election

Edited by HKOwen (22 Feb 2024 12.44am)

Edited by HKOwen (22 Feb 2024 12.48am)

Sounds about right.

The left rely upon imports to win certain areas for short term voting gain (most minorities always voting against majority interest). However, this Labour self interest works against the country as a whole and alienates those parts of the country from the rest of the country.

It's only a matter of time before Islamic self interest groups form their own parties and turn on Labour. It's just a matter of numbers within a given area...They are far far more socially conservative than even the right wing of the Labour party.....As Jewish activist organisations are finding out with minority groups themselves, which they heavily promoted.

The meme about the left ultimately destroying everything they touch is an accurate one for me.

Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Feb 2024 8.29am)

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Badger11 Beckenham 22 Feb 24 8.22am
I thought Hoyle was a decent Speaker and a major improvement on that little s*** Bercow. However he has blotted his copybook by giving in to Labour who apparently threatened to withhold support for him post the GE. He should have told Starmer to do his worst. I think this is a major error of judgement. Yesterday was a day designated for the SNP to raise Commons motions, the Speaker instead picked a Labour motion ahead of the SNP one. If the SNP had agreed to allow this then fair enough. As it was they were understandably furious, Labour after all as the official opposition have plenty of their own designated days. Hoyle should should not stand as Speaker after the next GE as he has shown he can be intimidated the one thing the Speaker is supposed to be all about if you go back to Charles I. One more point
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Beckenham 22 Feb 24 8.22am

I thought Hoyle was a decent Speaker and a major improvement on that little s*** Bercow.

However he has blotted his copybook by giving in to Labour who apparently threatened to withhold support for him post the GE. He should have told Starmer to do his worst. I think this is a major error of judgement.

Yesterday was a day designated for the SNP to raise Commons motions, the Speaker instead picked a Labour motion ahead of the SNP one. If the SNP had agreed to allow this then fair enough. As it was they were understandably furious, Labour after all as the official opposition have plenty of their own designated days.

Hoyle should should not stand as Speaker after the next GE as he has shown he can be intimidated the one thing the Speaker is supposed to be all about if you go back to Charles I.

One more point

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Matov 22 Feb 24 8.48am
Originally posted by Badger11 However he has blotted his copybook by giving in to Labour who apparently threatened to withhold support for him post the GE. He should have told Starmer to do his worst. I think this is a major error of judgement. This goes WAY beyond blotting. What happened yesterday was beyond disgraceful. Utterly disgusting rendering the entire role of Speaker corrupted to the point of no return. The man should be forcibly stood down today. One of the most shameful days in Parliaments history. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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22 Feb 24 8.48am

Originally posted by Badger11

This goes WAY beyond blotting. What happened yesterday was beyond disgraceful. Utterly disgusting rendering the entire role of Speaker corrupted to the point of no return.

The man should be forcibly stood down today. One of the most shameful days in Parliaments history.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Badger11 Beckenham 22 Feb 24 8.55am
Originally posted by Matov This goes WAY beyond blotting. What happened yesterday was beyond disgraceful. Utterly disgusting rendering the entire role of Speaker corrupted to the point of no return. The man should be forcibly stood down today. One of the most shameful days in Parliaments history. I wouldn't go that far but he is now damaged goods. If Labour support him, assuming they win the next GE, it will be a poison chalice. The SNP and the Tories will oppose him so from the get go he will be seen as Labour's man. We all saw what a shambles the Commons was when Bercow was seen as Brexit biased, the government was unable to put through it's business. Labour will want to implement their plans not spend all the time fighting the other parties and the media's accusations of Speaker bias. So when Starmer sits down and thinks about it he will realise this and pick someone else. A think it's a great pity but the Speaker has to be seen as unbiased and ready to withstand pressure. Hoyle made a huge mistake, even if it turns out that what Labour said to him was exaggerated or even untrue the damage has been done. Edited by Badger11 (22 Feb 2024 8.56am) One more point
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Beckenham 22 Feb 24 8.55am

Originally posted by Matov

This goes WAY beyond blotting. What happened yesterday was beyond disgraceful. Utterly disgusting rendering the entire role of Speaker corrupted to the point of no return.

The man should be forcibly stood down today. One of the most shameful days in Parliaments history.

I wouldn't go that far but he is now damaged goods.

If Labour support him, assuming they win the next GE, it will be a poison chalice. The SNP and the Tories will oppose him so from the get go he will be seen as Labour's man.

We all saw what a shambles the Commons was when Bercow was seen as Brexit biased, the government was unable to put through it's business.

Labour will want to implement their plans not spend all the time fighting the other parties and the media's accusations of Speaker bias. So when Starmer sits down and thinks about it he will realise this and pick someone else.

A think it's a great pity but the Speaker has to be seen as unbiased and ready to withstand pressure. Hoyle made a huge mistake, even if it turns out that what Labour said to him was exaggerated or even untrue the damage has been done.

Edited by Badger11 (22 Feb 2024 8.56am)

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Hrolf The Ganger 22 Feb 24 9.04am
From what I have seen, Hoyle has always favoured Labour. He has to go after this. Whatever he intended to achieve, the damage to the reputation of Parliamentary integrity is unacceptable.
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From what I have seen, Hoyle has always favoured Labour.

He has to go after this. Whatever he intended to achieve, the damage to the reputation of Parliamentary integrity is unacceptable.

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HKOwen Hong Kong 22 Feb 24 9.58am
The procedure needs an overhaul, having one guy being able to decide what is debated might have been ok 500 years ago but the world, and parliament , is very different now Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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Hong Kong 22 Feb 24 9.58am

The procedure needs an overhaul, having one guy being able to decide what is debated might have been ok 500 years ago but the world, and parliament , is very different now

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steeleye20 Croydon 22 Feb 24 10.03am
'The UK parliament goes to war over a cease-fire'. What flavour of ceasefire would you like? One that isn't really one at all. In truth nobody is listening to British politicians anyway. The Middle East is Islamic, Israel is the only non-Islamic state in the whole region. Israel could not be doing any of this without USA that country is also responsible for this war. To think that Israel, of all people, is committing a genocidal act described as another 'holocaust' by the Brazilian PM, with USA financial and military support, really it's like tearing up the history you once thought you understood. And what is the goal of all this, to eliminate Hamas in Gaza? What actual difference would that make, Israel is surrounded.
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Croydon 22 Feb 24 10.03am

'The UK parliament goes to war over a cease-fire'.

What flavour of ceasefire would you like? One that isn't really one at all.

In truth nobody is listening to British politicians anyway.

The Middle East is Islamic, Israel is the only non-Islamic state in the whole region.

Israel could not be doing any of this without USA that country is also responsible for this war.

To think that Israel, of all people, is committing a genocidal act described as another 'holocaust' by the Brazilian PM, with USA financial and military support, really it's like tearing up the history you once thought you understood.

And what is the goal of all this, to eliminate Hamas in Gaza?

What actual difference would that make, Israel is surrounded.

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Stirlingsays 22 Feb 24 10.07am
I've got to admit to somewhat of a raised eyebrow to parliamentarians reportedly crying and expressing fears for their lives concerning pressure from certain 'protected' groups and 'progressive' activists have put them under.....you know the usual suspects. I raise that eyebrow because these same parliamentarians have been telling us for ages that we need to fear the 'far right' in this country and that certain groups need 'protection'...passing laws and appeasing them at every turn......when in reality it appears that those now crying for protection from the very same people they bat for. Left or right the politicians in that esteemed building, by their very politics, turn it into a circus parody, with their leaders being the chief clowns. Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Feb 2024 2.27pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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22 Feb 24 10.07am

I've got to admit to somewhat of a raised eyebrow to parliamentarians reportedly crying and expressing fears for their lives concerning pressure from certain 'protected' groups and 'progressive' activists have put them under.....you know the usual suspects.

I raise that eyebrow because these same parliamentarians have been telling us for ages that we need to fear the 'far right' in this country and that certain groups need 'protection'...passing laws and appeasing them at every turn......when in reality it appears that those now crying for protection from the very same people they bat for.

Left or right the politicians in that esteemed building, by their very politics, turn it into a circus parody, with their leaders being the chief clowns.

Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Feb 2024 2.27pm)

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HKOwen Hong Kong 22 Feb 24 10.09am
I agree that no one will listen to the UK's opinion, even more ridiculous something that the UK can not influence brings chaos to Parliament. The huffing and puffing by Labour is all about votes . No one cares what the risible Mcmarxists think Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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HKOwen

Hong Kong 22 Feb 24 10.09am

I agree that no one will listen to the UK's opinion, even more ridiculous something that the UK can not influence brings chaos to Parliament.

The huffing and puffing by Labour is all about votes .

No one cares what the risible Mcmarxists think

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Stirlingsays 22 Feb 24 10.13am
Originally posted by steeleye20 'The UK parliament goes to war over a cease-fire'. What flavour of ceasefire would you like? One that isn't really one at all. In truth nobody is listening to British politicians anyway. The Middle East is Islamic, Israel is the only non-Islamic state in the whole region. Israel could not be doing any of this without USA that country is also responsible for this war. To think that Israel, of all people, is committing a genocidal act described as another 'holocaust' by the Brazilian PM, with USA financial and military support, really it's like tearing up the history you once thought you understood. And what is the goal of all this, to eliminate Hamas in Gaza? What actual difference would that make, Israel is surrounded. Yeah....but it became Islamic using violence and intimidation. Christians and Jews were in all these 'Islamic' lands in large numbers. While you'll find no support from me for what Israel has and are doing. I will make the point again that Islam is as one eyed concerning prosecution of other groups as any cyclops you could find. What is being done to them they have done to others. It's just now it's bombs and you have video footage. Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Feb 2024 2.24pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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22 Feb 24 10.13am

Originally posted by steeleye20

'The UK parliament goes to war over a cease-fire'.

What flavour of ceasefire would you like? One that isn't really one at all.

In truth nobody is listening to British politicians anyway.

The Middle East is Islamic, Israel is the only non-Islamic state in the whole region.

Israel could not be doing any of this without USA that country is also responsible for this war.

And what is the goal of all this, to eliminate Hamas in Gaza?

What actual difference would that make, Israel is surrounded.

Yeah....but it became Islamic using violence and intimidation. Christians and Jews were in all these 'Islamic' lands in large numbers.

While you'll find no support from me for what Israel has and are doing. I will make the point again that Islam is as one eyed concerning prosecution of other groups as any cyclops you could find.

What is being done to them they have done to others. It's just now it's bombs and you have video footage.

Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Feb 2024 2.24pm)

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georgenorman 22 Feb 24 10.46am
Originally posted by steeleye20 'The UK parliament goes to war over a cease-fire'. What flavour of ceasefire would you like? One that isn't really one at all. In truth nobody is listening to British politicians anyway. The Middle East is Islamic, Israel is the only non-Islamic state in the whole region. Israel could not be doing any of this without USA that country is also responsible for this war. To think that Israel, of all people, is committing a genocidal act described as another 'holocaust' by the Brazilian PM, with USA financial and military support, really it's like tearing up the history you once thought you understood. And what is the goal of all this, to eliminate Hamas in Gaza? What actual difference would that make, Israel is surrounded. Do you have a final solution, man of steel?
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22 Feb 24 10.46am