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Stirlingsays 29 Feb 20 3.14pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
I want a white only team. Much more chance with the crowd. I reckon we should have three teams.....Black, White and Coffee....or are we just stirring it?
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Feb 20 3.21pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
How are you sure that building bridges and removing fear are part of the authorities strategy? Because it's the obvious and common sense approach to building a society which respects it's disparate parts but works towards shared goals.
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Teddy Eagle 29 Feb 20 3.26pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Because it's the obvious and common sense approach to building a society which respects it's disparate parts but works towards shared goals. Right. And that obviously happens all the time. Respect within society has to be reciprocal and it plainly isn’t. Respect also includes everybody being treated in the same way but a case is plainly being made for special consideration being given to a segment of society.
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Stirlingsays 29 Feb 20 3.32pm | |
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Yeah, because when people think Cornwall that's what they are thinking....disparate. Let's move to disparate Cornwall they think with its 90+ homogeneity.
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dannyboy1978 29 Feb 20 3.45pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I have no idea why you should feel uncomfortable! I want these criminals found and removed from being a threat as much as anyone else. I think the views I hold are very far from dangerous and not applying them is where the danger lies. We want all decent people helping the Police to root out the criminals. Therefore we need to reach out to them and not to ostracise them by building barriers. We need the communities where these people seem to mostly be hiding to reject them and not give them safe spaces in which a veil of silence prevails. I think that particularly applies to the women, especially the younger ones who have grown up here and they will be as disgusted at this behaviour as any of us. Building bridges to us and removing fear will, I am sure, be part of the authorities strategy. Potentially stigmatising them by using descriptions like "Muslim" or "Islamic" is to build links to the criminals and not bridges to us. So unless there is another, overriding, reason why such descriptions are needed, and helpful, my argument is simply that it's better to abandon them. My sympathies are all with the victims and the best way to help them and stop any others being created.
The question is why are these criminals who like to rape little girls from the same ethnic and religious back ground. People are well within their rights to question why this is and what the answer is. You want to brush under the carpet that they are from the same culture, sharing the same religion which makes me wonder your motives. Yes, you are making me uncomfortable.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Feb 20 8.01pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Right. And that obviously happens all the time. Respect within society has to be reciprocal and it plainly isn’t. Respect also includes everybody being treated in the same way but a case is plainly being made for special consideration being given to a segment of society. Respect has to start somewhere before it can become reciprocal. You earn respect by showing respect. It's the same throughout life. Be firm with the wrong doers but show respect to everyone. It's the British way. The Police always call people "Sir" or "Madame" don't they? If we are indeed showing some "special consideration" to anyone I trust that it is being done in our long term best interests and as part of a thought through strategy.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Feb 20 8.11pm | |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
I believe that it is YOUR thinking that is naive and short sighted. That "most people here" agree with you does not make them "more advanced" at all. It just makes them produce the typical response of those unprepared to look beyond the knee jerk reactions of a Daily Mail headline. The question is why are these criminals who like to rape little girls from the same ethnic and religious back ground. That is, of course, a completely valid question and one I have little doubt is being researched. When answers are known then a long term strategy will need to be put in place to counter it. People are well within their rights to question why this is and what the answer is. Of course they are. What they aren't within their rights to do is stigmatise innocent people because of the need to ask the questions. You want to brush under the carpet that they are from the same culture, sharing the same religion which makes me wonder your motives. Of course I don't. It has nothing to do with seeking the answers to appropriate questions. It has only to do with making sure we don't make it more difficult to find them. Yes, you are making me uncomfortable. Then you clearly don't understand my position or my reasoning and are imposing assumptions that are just untrue.
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Teddy Eagle 29 Feb 20 8.12pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Respect has to start somewhere before it can become reciprocal. You earn respect by showing respect. It's the same throughout life. Be firm with the wrong doers but show respect to everyone. It's the British way. The Police always call people "Sir" or "Madame" don't they? If we are indeed showing some "special consideration" to anyone I trust that it is being done in our long term best interests and as part of a thought through strategy. Every strategy is thought through by someone but it doesn’t mean it’s the right one. In this case it appears the Home Office agrees with your thoughts since they haven’t revealed the findings of the report into the matter to their own minister. Is that in our best interest as well?
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Feb 20 8.15pm | |
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I fail to see why living in Cornwall, Croydon or on the Moon makes any difference to whether you can use your brain to work out why one thing is better than another. Sometimes it's actually beneficial not to be too emotionally engaged with a problem to see a possible solution to it.
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Teddy Eagle 29 Feb 20 8.27pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I fail to see why living in Cornwall, Croydon or on the Moon makes any difference to whether you can use your brain to work out why one thing is better than another. Sometimes it's actually beneficial not to be too emotionally engaged with a problem to see a possible solution to it. Not necessarily. How many farmers would listen to advice from people who’d lived in London all their lives?
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Feb 20 8.45pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Every strategy is thought through by someone but it doesn’t mean it’s the right one. In this case it appears the Home Office agrees with your thoughts since they haven’t revealed the findings of the report into the matter to their own minister. Is that in our best interest as well? Unless strategies are tested in comparable situations whether they are "right" or not will always be a matter of opinion. I would rather trust the opinions of the professionals at the Home Office than the editors of competing tabloids trying to sell newspaper. If such a report hasn't been released it must have been because it was considered not in the public interest to do so. Compare that to Johnson's decision not to release the Intelligence Committee's report into Russian interference in the 2016 referendum prior to the 2019 election! That was 100% in the government's interest.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Feb 20 8.47pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Not necessarily. How many farmers would listen to advice from people who’d lived in London all their lives? Of course. Hence the word "sometimes".
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