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Part Time James 11 May 17 1.59pm
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle I for one am quite keen to know what each party plans on more than one issue. I'm interested in healthcare, housing, education, trade, the economy, Brexit, social rights, equality, defence. It's right that any party covers each of these (and more) in their manifesto, the document that gives a mandate for the next 5 years. I hope the "policies not personalities" website (I think that's what it is called) is updated for 2017 at some point. Quite a good way of forming a basis for a vote without blindly following party politics or any pre-conceived bias. In particular useful for people that don't want to study the intricacies during the campaign trail (which, let's face it, often becomes a nothing but a tribal smear war).
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

I for one am quite keen to know what each party plans on more than one issue. I'm interested in healthcare, housing, education, trade, the economy, Brexit, social rights, equality, defence. It's right that any party covers each of these (and more) in their manifesto, the document that gives a mandate for the next 5 years.

I hope the "policies not personalities" website (I think that's what it is called) is updated for 2017 at some point. Quite a good way of forming a basis for a vote without blindly following party politics or any pre-conceived bias. In particular useful for people that don't want to study the intricacies during the campaign trail (which, let's face it, often becomes a nothing but a tribal smear war).

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elgrande bedford 11 May 17 2.08pm
if they take back all these industries,are they going to employ people with a no strike clause in the contract. What they gonna do with all the shares that the posties were given..my other half lynne is a postie and has been for 30 odd years. She has to work more now,but she knew she would,in her words "posties have been taking the piss for years". I like the idea of taking the utilities company's back. And in some ways the railways....but it wasn't all run on time spotless trains before,so let's not get all misty eyes about it. The thought of being held to ransome by the nick Gus sets of this world "again" it's not something to look forward to. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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bedford 11 May 17 2.08pm

if they take back all these industries,are they going to employ people with a no strike clause in the contract.
What they gonna do with all the shares that the posties were given..my other half lynne is a postie and has been for 30 odd years.
She has to work more now,but she knew she would,in her words "posties have been taking the piss for years".

I like the idea of taking the utilities company's back.
And in some ways the railways....but it wasn't all run on time spotless trains before,so let's not get all misty eyes about it.
The thought of being held to ransome by the nick Gus sets of this world "again" it's not something to look forward to.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 11 May 17 2.23pm
Originally posted by nickgusset We can't really judge until we see the actual (not leaked) manifesto that Mcdonnell has said will be fully costed. Is it worth arguing about it until then? The age old argument, the conservatives attack Labour saying they can't afford to do everything in their manifesto, whilst promising to cut services without affecting function. I prefer the blue puppet, I prefer the red puppet - just don't as about the guy in the middle with his hand up both their arses. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 11 May 17 2.23pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

We can't really judge until we see the actual (not leaked) manifesto that Mcdonnell has said will be fully costed. Is it worth arguing about it until then?

The age old argument, the conservatives attack Labour saying they can't afford to do everything in their manifesto, whilst promising to cut services without affecting function.

I prefer the blue puppet, I prefer the red puppet - just don't as about the guy in the middle with his hand up both their arses.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 11 May 17 2.42pm
Originally posted by elgrande if they take back all these industries,are they going to employ people with a no strike clause in the contract. What they gonna do with all the shares that the posties were given..my other half lynne is a postie and has been for 30 odd years. She has to work more now,but she knew she would,in her words "posties have been taking the piss for years". I like the idea of taking the utilities company's back. And in some ways the railways....but it wasn't all run on time spotless trains before,so let's not get all misty eyes about it. The thought of being held to ransome by the nick Gus sets of this world "again" it's not something to look forward to. I like how I represent the whole union movement.
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Shizzlehurst 11 May 17 2.42pm

Originally posted by elgrande

I like how I represent the whole union movement.

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Kermit8 Hevon 11 May 17 2.45pm
Originally posted by elgrande if they take back all these industries,are they going to employ people with a no strike clause in the contract. What they gonna do with all the shares that the posties were given..my other half lynne is a postie and has been for 30 odd years. She has to work more now,but she knew she would,in her words "posties have been taking the piss for years". I like the idea of taking the utilities company's back. And in some ways the railways....but it wasn't all run on time spotless trains before,so let's not get all misty eyes about it. The thought of being held to ransome by the nick Gus sets of this world "again" it's not something to look forward to. It wasn't perfect but at least foreign companies weren't creaming off profits and fares didn't cost hundreds of pounds if you just wanted to get from London (or Exeter) to Manchester return and had to book it a few days before. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 11 May 17 2.45pm

Originally posted by elgrande

It wasn't perfect but at least foreign companies weren't creaming off profits and fares didn't cost hundreds of pounds if you just wanted to get from London (or Exeter) to Manchester return and had to book it a few days before.

Big chest and massive boobs

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dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 11 May 17 2.48pm
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle [Link] More than 10% cut for nurses predicted. [Link] Fall bellow 2004-05 levels predicted for public sector given stated government policy. You say "liberal wet dream". That view is utterly absurd and one not recognised in most other OECD countries. See post from a Norwegian journalist. As to the assertion that the plans are affordable, given the current dynamics in our economy with monetary policy maxed out and QE being only used to support asset prices, there is a lot of room for manoeuvre in fiscal policy and expansionary fiscal policy is just that - expansionary. It will create growth and boost productivity. We've already seen on this thread that Labour have a significantly better record since the war on public debt and repaying debt. The idea that the Tories are trustworthy when it comes to the economy is a myth I find incredible that anyone with two brain cells believes. Spoken like a true lefty, if people don't agree with you they must be dumb. Sanctimonious just doesn't cut it. You've cited two links to the most Lefty/Liberal news paper on the planet, and expect me to take that as proof what you're saying is correct. Tell me would you believe a load of Jackanory Bullsh1t about immigration and johnny foreigner nicking our jobs if it was published in the Daily Nazi (sorry Mail) No ? and neither would I, so don't insult my intelligence with some hackneyed old crap from the Guardian. Cheers. "It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"
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wherever I lay my hat....... 11 May 17 2.48pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

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More than 10% cut for nurses predicted.

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Fall bellow 2004-05 levels predicted for public sector given stated government policy.

You say "liberal wet dream". That view is utterly absurd and one not recognised in most other OECD countries. See post from a Norwegian journalist. As to the assertion that the plans are affordable, given the current dynamics in our economy with monetary policy maxed out and QE being only used to support asset prices, there is a lot of room for manoeuvre in fiscal policy and expansionary fiscal policy is just that - expansionary. It will create growth and boost productivity. We've already seen on this thread that Labour have a significantly better record since the war on public debt and repaying debt. The idea that the Tories are trustworthy when it comes to the economy is a myth I find incredible that anyone with two brain cells believes.

Spoken like a true lefty, if people don't agree with you they must be dumb. Sanctimonious just doesn't cut it.

You've cited two links to the most Lefty/Liberal news paper on the planet, and expect me to take that as proof what you're saying is correct.

Tell me would you believe a load of Jackanory Bullsh1t about immigration and johnny foreigner nicking our jobs if it was published in the Daily Nazi (sorry Mail) No ? and neither would I, so don't insult my intelligence with some hackneyed old crap from the Guardian.

Cheers.

"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

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Lyons550 Shirley 11 May 17 3.02pm
Originally posted by nickgusset We can't really judge until we see the actual (not leaked) manifesto that Mcdonnell has said will be fully costed. Is it worth arguing about it until then? I have to say that its a poor show to have leaked them...and for the MSM to then present the details... The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World
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Shirley 11 May 17 3.02pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

We can't really judge until we see the actual (not leaked) manifesto that Mcdonnell has said will be fully costed. Is it worth arguing about it until then?

I have to say that its a poor show to have leaked them...and for the MSM to then present the details...

The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 11 May 17 3.04pm
Is Corbyn angling for more money for the NHS to care for the people his car runs over? [Link] Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Clapham on the Back 11 May 17 3.04pm

Is Corbyn angling for more money for the NHS to care for the people his car runs over?

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Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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Lyons550 Shirley 11 May 17 3.04pm
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle Past experience often informs what is likely to happen in the future. Why don't you think their policies could all be implemented over the course of a parliament, or at least set in motion? I'm not sure their manifesto claims they will do it all on day one then sit back and see how it goes. A lot of these policies will require long terms efforts, but that doesn't mean they aren't feasible or worthwhile. The point is that Keynesian economics, over the past 70 years has resulted in less borrowing than neo-classical or neo-liberal economics. There is a clear choice between the two in this election and history is quite clear which is more effective, delivers fairer results and healthier public finances. Exactly...its not a pre requiste for what WILL happen though as your previous retort implied. The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World
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Shirley 11 May 17 3.04pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

Past experience often informs what is likely to happen in the future.

Why don't you think their policies could all be implemented over the course of a parliament, or at least set in motion? I'm not sure their manifesto claims they will do it all on day one then sit back and see how it goes.

A lot of these policies will require long terms efforts, but that doesn't mean they aren't feasible or worthwhile.

The point is that Keynesian economics, over the past 70 years has resulted in less borrowing than neo-classical or neo-liberal economics. There is a clear choice between the two in this election and history is quite clear which is more effective, delivers fairer results and healthier public finances.

Exactly...its not a pre requiste for what WILL happen though as your previous retort implied.

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elgrande bedford 11 May 17 3.08pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 It wasn't perfect but at least foreign companies weren't creaming off profits and fares didn't cost hundreds of pounds if you just wanted to get from London (or Exeter) to Manchester return and had to book it a few days before. To be fair you are not wrong,but we don't know how much the fares would be now if it was still British Rail. And the trains were nearly always filthy..? if they ran. But I take your point,about foreign companies...one thing I hated about that government..selling the utilities. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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bedford 11 May 17 3.08pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

To be fair you are not wrong,but we don't know how much the fares would be now if it was still British Rail.
And the trains were nearly always filthy..? if they ran.
But I take your point,about foreign companies...one thing I hated about that government..selling the utilities.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 11 May 17 3.10pm
Originally posted by Lyons550 I have to say that its a poor show to have leaked them...and for the MSM to then present the details... It is, it'll give the Tories time to adjust theirs so they don't look like the heartless b******s they are.
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Shizzlehurst 11 May 17 3.10pm

Originally posted by Lyons550

I have to say that its a poor show to have leaked them...and for the MSM to then present the details...

It is, it'll give the Tories time to adjust theirs so they don't look like the heartless b******s they are.

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serial thriller The Promised Land 11 May 17 3.13pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 It may well be 'fully costed', but will the people he inteeds to take the money from hang around for it to be taken. Remember Healey's 83% top rate income tax and 98% tax on unearned income. People and businesses buggered off (including the Rolling Stones) - those who stayed pulled every trick in the book to avoid paying. As is often the case, when you raise taxes to punitive levels, the actual revenue income falls. But Corbyn aint suggesting 95% tax rates. The increase in corporation tax he's proposing will still leave ours far lower than Japan, whose economy is booming, as well as California and Germany. Every time an increase in tax for the rich is proposed, they all threaten to f'ck off. But usually they don't, and tbh, if they are so averse to paying slightly more tax to fund spending on the NHS or for disabled people, i'll gladly show them the door. If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4
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Originally posted by hedgehog50

It may well be 'fully costed', but will the people he inteeds to take the money from hang around for it to be taken. Remember Healey's 83% top rate income tax and 98% tax on unearned income. People and businesses buggered off (including the Rolling Stones) - those who stayed pulled every trick in the book to avoid paying. As is often the case, when you raise taxes to punitive levels, the actual revenue income falls.

But Corbyn aint suggesting 95% tax rates. The increase in corporation tax he's proposing will still leave ours far lower than Japan, whose economy is booming, as well as California and Germany. Every time an increase in tax for the rich is proposed, they all threaten to f'ck off. But usually they don't, and tbh, if they are so averse to paying slightly more tax to fund spending on the NHS or for disabled people, i'll gladly show them the door.

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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