Perhaps, but it made me chuckle and has a lovely alliterative feel to it.

Now Himself, I'd have some respect for you if you actually debated the issue at hand rather than taking swipes at a handful of posters because they have a different opinion to you. It does seem to me that you go quiet when people give reasonable responses or use phrases such as 'bum gravy' or 'lefty drivel'. For instance I have given a perfectly good response to your accusations of anti semetism within Labour. Suddenly you have gone quiet. The cynic in me thinks that you are just picking issues in order to goad certain posters on here. That is bad form.

Back to the referendum, the more research i do, the more I am finding it hard to make a choice. I was surprised to see that contributions to the EU form a tiny part of actual U.K spending. This made me think that it is a small price to play to stay within a large trading block. I see myself as British and European, however the jingoism that some seem to associate with national 'pride' sits uneasy with me as it can verge on racism. I'm also perturbed by all the things that various brexiters claim we could spend the money saved on. particularly when you get the likes og Gove and IDS suddenly caring about the NHS whilst being in a party that is decimating it in order to privatise.
I agree that the eu has done a good job ensuring rights for individuals across the eu, however the fact that those behind the scenes so to speak are pushing a neoliberal agenda.
I think that the role of MEP's should be played up, after all they are the ones who vote on plans put forward by the commision - it's upsetting that our UKIP representatives in th european parliament are reticent to vote on many things, it's hardly helping us get the best outcomes for U.K citizens is it?

The fact that we haven't had any sort of a clear idea what would happen post brexit pushes me toward remain, as does the fact that we have a much better chance of reform if we stay in and find like minded idealists across the continent to push a better agenda. Also pushing me towards remain is the fact I think that an exit would allow the currenyt lot in power to push forward ideological austerity meaures. However, counter to this, I think the EU have been complicit in stitching Greece up so much that they have no chance of sorting our their mess as debt interest is in Wonga proportions. Additionally the fact that they've been forced to hand over public assets to conglomerates for peanuts sits uneasily with me.

What to do?

Edited by nickgusset (08 Jun 2016 9.36am)

Same here. Although hoof thinks I am a liar. I wonder if he will retract that or just ignore my response to his accusation.

Gusset, I am picking up on your double standards. No more, no less. On the one hand you say something (for example that people shouldn't be judged on their looks but their thoughts) and then go and criticise someone on their looks.

I have not had the time to read your so-called transcript because I am travelling at the moment. Once I get a chance, I will and once it's authencity has been confirmed, will comment.

With regards to the EU, you have bleated on about corruption in countries and companies you politically oppose. I don't think the corruption of the EU sits we'll with you. However, you have fallen for the Remain slur that Michael perpetuates that if you vote Brexit, you are a racist little Englander. Think for yourself.

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couple of articles from German press - Spiegel showing how the referendum isviewed from abroad.

Includes this, which muddies the EU army argument somewhat.

EU Denies Times Report about an EU Army

The European Commission immediately denied the Times report and said that the EU's new foreign and defense strategy does not include plans for the creation of an EU army.

And welcome back.

You did well for a few posts but the pressure of not mentioning the words 'white' nor the bolded above got to you, eh?

Pre-emptive strike tactics. I can see right through you.

Utter rot Gusset. You have displayed contempt and hatred, and most of your posts, for the Leave camp.

We know how you are going to vote. Just admit you will do the same as Comrade Corbyn and forgo principle in favour of short term politking.