Fear of what?

'I was prime minister for 10 years.

If you explain that to people they regard this as the elite fighting back. It’s absurd. We have got to have politicians who stand up and say ‘No, that is not a sensible way of looking at this.'

Jugears sniping in with his two penneth again, usually unhelpful dross. This time I can't say I disagree with the general sentiment. And that is not me saying we should stay, we need to leave. But it is me saying stop pretending you know more than parliament now they've had two long arduous years to look at what this all actually means. It's bollocks, and frankly paints you as an ignorant, obstinate moron rather than someone with a strong, credible opinion. This applies for both 'sides', by the way.

There is obviously power struggles and politics at play (shock horror) but that is no different from what you're all doing when you say I voted this so I want this without consideration for the fact that your opinion is far less valid than parliament as a whole. Sorry, but them be the facts.

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Also re. food we're not suddenly going to stop importing European produce. Cheap, substandard food is everywhere now, so I'm not sure leaving is going to make any difference whatsoever to getting even cheaper, more substandard food. But if that's what you eat then fine, add to the growing NHS deficit why don't you.

Finally, farming is not a profitable enterprise in this country, and it's in terminal decline. On the evidence I'm not sure leaving or staying will make a blind bit of difference to that fact. Just so you know, that's not me making s*** up, that comes from a massive sample size of two farmers and a farming family that I know well.

Back to topic, boring analogy bit
When I take my car to be serviced, I give my own opinions and advice and ask questions as I know a bit about cars, but I don't tell the mechanic how to do his job. If I'd said I was adamant that I wanted the cheaper service over the more expensive, if he said 'In my experience (note, not opinion) I'd suggest the more expensive service as there's a chance your car will break down otherwise, and cost you more money in the long run', then I might question him a bit to make sure he wasn't taking me for a ride and, surprise surprise, go with his advice. After all, it's why I use him in the first place. Who doesn't at least listen to advice from someone more qualified than them?

It's great having all these little debates, but ultimately, we're debating things we don't really understand anywhere near as much as parliament with the attitude that we do understand them, in some cases more so. That's me included. But that's how it is. Just don't pretend you know more than your elected officials. By all means challenge them, vote them out, lie in front of a train for your principles, if they actually matter to you that much, but don't suggest you know more.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

Still digesting tonight's events but it looks like if the EU is willing to compromise on the backstop Mrs May can get that through Parliament.

There was another non binding resolution passed to take a no deal of the table not sure if that helps her case.

Anyway for the umpteenth time a British PM will go to Brussels and ask for a favour. So far they have not faired well, if the EU turn us down again they only have themselves to blame.

I said when the deal was published if the backstop is no big deal and the EU is never going to trap us in the single market why not put a time extension.

If we have to leave without a deal the EU will still have to deal with the Irish border so why not give us an escape clause that gives then 2 years to settle the matter otherwise they will have a problem in 2 months.

We shall see who blinks first.

Oh and the EU are now saying if there is no deal they will use technology away from the border to manage it which is exactly what JRM and his mates have been saying all along.

Edited by Badger11 (29 Jan 2019 9.08pm)

One more point

Anarchy in the UK.

....use to be the left....but in the future it'll probably be from the right....the new counter culture.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Hopefully.

Buy Litecoin.

Unfortunately thanks to brexit Brittannia no longer rules the waves, nor has done for decades, try Cyprus.......