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Midlands Eagle 28 Jan 19 12.58pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It's because of the reasoning embodied in the above statement that I am withdrawing from this thread.
I have better things to do than constantly try to debate with remoaner brick walls.
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steeleye20 Croydon 28 Jan 19 1.09pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It's because of the reasoning embodied in the above statement that I am withdrawing from this thread. I have better things to do than constantly try to debate with brick walls. Actually describing the Brexiteer posters here as brick walls is to flatter them. They are more like stone age walls! To constantly refer to a referendum result as a function of our democracy demonstrates a huge level of ignorance. Our democracy is vested in our Parliament and they can choose to overturn anything if, in the light of events and circumstances, it is their collective will to do so. I don't believe anyone "won" when in 2016 a very close referendum result was declared. Many things which have nothing to do with the issues can affect such results. When we hold a GE the results can also be so affected but we know that in a few short years we will do it again. Therefore to cling to the notion that just because 52% outvoted 48% we must adhere to a decision that the majority of our elected representatives disagree with is transparent nonsense. We need to do what is right, and not what is wrong just because of a vote in 2016. It's not up to us to decide what is right, or wrong. It's our representatives job to determine that. I have encountered the same dumb attitude in other forums. People who hold such views seem all to form a particular sub group of society. I also find it in Trump supporting groups in the USA and anti-immigration groups here. So I am out of here. No-one is going to change views because of me, as the responses indicate minds pickled in aspic. We face a calamitous moment in our history so I will play my own small role trying to persuade MPs to do their duty and persuading those who think like me to join in the pressure on them. That's a better use of my time. At least you all support a decent football club, even if your politics would be more at home at the Den. Hey Wisbech do not desert, the brexit resistance (Croydon branch) needs you !!!!!!!!
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dannyboy1978 28 Jan 19 1.31pm | |
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My history isn't what it should be but in the Falklands war did the French have any reproctions for supplying missiles to Argentina?
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Badger11 Beckenham 28 Jan 19 1.38pm | |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
My history isn't what it should be but in the Falklands war did the French have any reproctions for supplying missiles to Argentina? Much as I would like to agree with you I think this was a tabloid myth. Its true that France supplied weapons before the war and we trained their officers because Argentina was considered an ally. During the war the Argentines tried to buy more missiles they were led up the garden path by a combined British and French intelligence sting which of course was a dead end. So no is the long answer.
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Pussay Patrol 28 Jan 19 2.04pm | |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Totally wrong. Worked for 30 years in Border Force, there are only 3 reasons to refuse an EU national entry: Public Health; Public Policy;Public Security. Here's my research Freedom of movement is a specific right for EU passport holders to move around the bloc to take up work in any country. And there are actually limits on it. People can be refused admittance on security grounds. They can also legally be required to leave after three months if they do not have a job or fulfill other conditions such as being able to support themselves financially.
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Pussay Patrol 28 Jan 19 2.12pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Hey Wisbech do not desert, the brexit resistance (Croydon branch) needs you !!!!!!!!
Here here Shame to lose a decent contributor, especially through such astounding ignorance
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Badger11 Beckenham 28 Jan 19 2.15pm | |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Here's my research Freedom of movement is a specific right for EU passport holders to move around the bloc to take up work in any country. And there are actually limits on it. People can be refused admittance on security grounds. They can also legally be required to leave after three months if they do not have a job or fulfill other conditions such as being able to support themselves financially. Thanks Pussy but some previous posts have already acknowledged that. The issue is the cost in finding and deporting EU citizens versus the cost benefit of not letting them in to start with unless they fulfil immigration requirements.
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W12 28 Jan 19 2.19pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It's because of the reasoning embodied in the above statement that I am withdrawing from this thread. I have better things to do than constantly try to debate with brick walls. Actually describing the Brexiteer posters here as brick walls is to flatter them. They are more like stone age walls! To constantly refer to a referendum result as a function of our democracy demonstrates a huge level of ignorance. Our democracy is vested in our Parliament and they can choose to overturn anything if, in the light of events and circumstances, it is their collective will to do so. I don't believe anyone "won" when in 2016 a very close referendum result was declared. Many things which have nothing to do with the issues can affect such results. When we hold a GE the results can also be so affected but we know that in a few short years we will do it again. Therefore to cling to the notion that just because 52% outvoted 48% we must adhere to a decision that the majority of our elected representatives disagree with is transparent nonsense. We need to do what is right, and not what is wrong just because of a vote in 2016. It's not up to us to decide what is right, or wrong. It's our representatives job to determine that. I have encountered the same dumb attitude in other forums. People who hold such views seem all to form a particular sub group of society. I also find it in Trump supporting groups in the USA and anti-immigration groups here. So I am out of here. No-one is going to change views because of me, as the responses indicate minds pickled in aspic. We face a calamitous moment in our history so I will play my own small role trying to persuade MPs to do their duty and persuading those who think like me to join in the pressure on them. That's a better use of my time. At least you all support a decent football club, even if your politics would be more at home at the Den.
As for "It's our representatives job to determine that" they fully shirked that responsibility and gave it to us thinking we would given them the answer they wanted. Now all we see is backtracking, verbal gymnastics but mostly insults like your own. Also, there is a big clue in the word "representative" that you should take with you as you leave this thread. And by the way I would give up Palace and many other things if it guaranteed we could make a clean break with the EU.
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steeleye20 Croydon 28 Jan 19 2.21pm | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Thanks Pussy but some previous posts have already acknowledged that. The issue is the cost in finding and deporting EU citizens versus the cost benefit of not letting them in to start with unless they fulfil immigration requirements. My understanding is that what Pussay states is true for other EU members who choose to enforce the directive, but that Mrs May as Home Secretary not only decided against, but still does not have a registration system of EU migrants.
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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 28 Jan 19 2.28pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It's because of the reasoning embodied in the above statement that I am withdrawing from this thread. I have better things to do than constantly try to debate with brick walls. Actually describing the Brexiteer posters here as brick walls is to flatter them. They are more like stone age walls! To constantly refer to a referendum result as a function of our democracy demonstrates a huge level of ignorance. Our democracy is vested in our Parliament and they can choose to overturn anything if, in the light of events and circumstances, it is their collective will to do so. I don't believe anyone "won" when in 2016 a very close referendum result was declared. Many things which have nothing to do with the issues can affect such results. When we hold a GE the results can also be so affected but we know that in a few short years we will do it again. Therefore to cling to the notion that just because 52% outvoted 48% we must adhere to a decision that the majority of our elected representatives disagree with is transparent nonsense. We need to do what is right, and not what is wrong just because of a vote in 2016. It's not up to us to decide what is right, or wrong. It's our representatives job to determine that. I have encountered the same dumb attitude in other forums. People who hold such views seem all to form a particular sub group of society. I also find it in Trump supporting groups in the USA and anti-immigration groups here. So I am out of here. No-one is going to change views because of me, as the responses indicate minds pickled in aspic. We face a calamitous moment in our history so I will play my own small role trying to persuade MPs to do their duty and persuading those who think like me to join in the pressure on them. That's a better use of my time. At least you all support a decent football club, even if your politics would be more at home at the Den. Sneering condescension. And that, really, is all you've got in your locker. I'll resist the temptation to repay you in your own coin because it'd be just too easy and, frankly, I'm far, far better at it than you are. You can scuttle away and sulk for all I care. "Withdrawing from this thread" indeed. Don't be such a pompous drama queen.
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steeleye20 Croydon 28 Jan 19 2.31pm | |
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A no-deal Brexit threatens the UK's food security and will lead to higher prices and empty shelves in the short-term, retailers are warning. Sainsbury's, Asda and McDonald's are among those warning stockpiling fresh food is impossible and that the UK is very reliant on the EU for produce. The warning comes in a letter from the British Retail Consortium and is signed by several of the major food retailers. Of course, as any brexiteer will tell you, this is nonsense and these people don't know their own business..............
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Midlands Eagle 28 Jan 19 2.35pm | |
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Originally posted by W12
Fear mongering is the stock in trade of the remoaners. I was listening to a Labour peer on Daily Politics today and in one short answer she referred to "crashing out of the EU" three times. I heard someone on Radio 5 phone in last week referring to the emotive language that all remoaners are using and the above was an excellent example as they prefer to "crash out" rather than the less emotive "leave"
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