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Spiderman Horsham 28 Jan 19 11.34am | |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
I think most people who voted leave did so under the impression that the benefits would be compelling and we would leave the EU in a smooth and orderly transition that would not cause any economic harm and disruption to our way of life Brexit is not delivering on that. Perhaps if everyone had accepted the result it would have been delivered
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Spiderman Horsham 28 Jan 19 11.44am | |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
The idea we cannot control EU immigration is a myth. We have the powers to control, the government doesn't exercise them. More lies Totally wrong. Worked for 30 years in Border Force, there are only 3 reasons to refuse an EU national entry: Public Health; Public Policy;Public Security.
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steeleye20 Croydon 28 Jan 19 11.54am | |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Totally wrong. Worked for 30 years in Border Force, there are only 3 reasons to refuse an EU national entry: Public Health; Public Policy;Public Security. The issue is not entry but immigration ie the right to remain in the UK.
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Badger11 Beckenham 28 Jan 19 12.26pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The issue is not entry but immigration ie the right to remain in the UK. Actually I think entry is the issue. As I understand it we have the right to deport EU citizens after 3 months if they have not found a job (Correct me if I am wrong) but the government has never used that right. It is very expensive to track down and then deport an individual and there have been court cases where the government has tried to deport an EU criminal but a judge has said no for one reason or another. It is far more practical and cheaper to stop people coming in the first place. The government record on deportation is very poor.
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lloydy st ives cornwall 28 Jan 19 12.26pm | |
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I'm sure it's not easy to implement, but the regulation is there. Attachment: DWULcrrWAAEDyGt.jpg (55.13Kb)
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Badger11 Beckenham 28 Jan 19 12.32pm | |
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Originally posted by lloydy
I'm sure it's not easy to implement, but the regulation is there. Thanks.
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Stirlingsays 28 Jan 19 12.36pm | |
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The costs and time factors of deportation make it a non starter for this particular problem......it's only useful as a last resort. Prevention is better than a cure. Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Jan 2019 12.38pm)
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Lyons550 Shirley 28 Jan 19 12.37pm | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Actually I think entry is the issue. As I understand it we have the right to deport EU citizens after 3 months if they have not found a job (Correct me if I am wrong) but the government has never used that right. It is very expensive to track down and then deport an individual and there have been court cases where the government has tried to deport an EU criminal but a judge has said no for one reason or another. It is far more practical and cheaper to stop people coming in the first place. The government record on deportation is very poor. Where would we deport them to? The last country they left before coming to us? The first EU country the not in a war they entered? Or back home? Edited by Lyons550 (28 Jan 2019 12.38pm)
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Lyons550 Shirley 28 Jan 19 12.38pm | |
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. Edited by Lyons550 (28 Jan 2019 12.38pm)
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 28 Jan 19 12.38pm | |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
The bottom line is, there was a democratic vote, the result of which some people simply refuse to accept. Taking this simple and glaringly obvious concept on board, this thread now consists of 329 pages (at 50 posts per page), a large percentage of which is a lot of moaning and grizzling about that result. It’s democracy, fellas. Don’t you like democracy? Because it seems to me that you’re all a bunch of really bad losers. It's because of the reasoning embodied in the above statement that I am withdrawing from this thread. I have better things to do than constantly try to debate with brick walls. Actually describing the Brexiteer posters here as brick walls is to flatter them. They are more like stone age walls! To constantly refer to a referendum result as a function of our democracy demonstrates a huge level of ignorance. Our democracy is vested in our Parliament and they can choose to overturn anything if, in the light of events and circumstances, it is their collective will to do so. I don't believe anyone "won" when in 2016 a very close referendum result was declared. Many things which have nothing to do with the issues can affect such results. When we hold a GE the results can also be so affected but we know that in a few short years we will do it again. Therefore to cling to the notion that just because 52% outvoted 48% we must adhere to a decision that the majority of our elected representatives disagree with is transparent nonsense. We need to do what is right, and not what is wrong just because of a vote in 2016. It's not up to us to decide what is right, or wrong. It's our representatives job to determine that. I have encountered the same dumb attitude in other forums. People who hold such views seem all to form a particular sub group of society. I also find it in Trump supporting groups in the USA and anti-immigration groups here. So I am out of here. No-one is going to change views because of me, as the responses indicate minds pickled in aspic. We face a calamitous moment in our history so I will play my own small role trying to persuade MPs to do their duty and persuading those who think like me to join in the pressure on them. That's a better use of my time. At least you all support a decent football club, even if your politics would be more at home at the Den.
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Badger11 Beckenham 28 Jan 19 12.48pm | |
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Originally posted by Lyons550
Where would we deport them to? The last country they left before coming to us? The first EU country the not in a war they entered? Or back home? Edited by Lyons550 (28 Jan 2019 12.38pm) Sorry I am confused by your post. We are talking about EU citizens not migrants or refugees or asylum seekers. If they have to be deported they would go back to their home EU country, as previously mentioned UK does not do this currently.
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Badger11 Beckenham 28 Jan 19 12.48pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The costs and time factors of deportation make it a non starter for this particular problem......it's only useful as a last resort. Prevention is better than a cure. Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Jan 2019 12.38pm)
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