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 EverybodyDannsNow  SE19 20 Feb 24 3.52pm |
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| steeleye20 Croydon 20 Feb 24 4.45pm |
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The United States vetoed a United Nations Security Council resolution on Tuesday that called for an “immediate humanitarian ceasefire” in Gaza. The US was the only country on the 15-member council to vote against the resolution, while the United Kingdom abstained. Further military aid, as if it was needed, sent to Israel but not Ukraine, which does.
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| silvertop Portishead 20 Feb 24 5.47pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Yes, that's clearly the meaning of what you said. The apologist (if not outright supporter) for Islamic terrorism, Danns, often says it too. Given it was not what I said or intended to say, the use of the word "clearly" indicates only that it is what you wanted to see. Also, by attacking Danns in the way you have, this is an argument as valid as those who steadfastly support the Israeli position derive personal pleasure from the murder of children. That is, both arguments are rubbish.
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cryrst  The garden of England 20 Feb 24 6.26pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Yeah, that’s it - I’ve expressed that view loads of times. Not wanting tens of thousands of civilians to die and millions to be displaced = supporting Islamic Jihad. I guess it’s not surprising given how comfortable you have been with lying throughout the thread. Hamas ministry of info. Do you not question their ‘facts’
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| cryrst The garden of England 20 Feb 24 6.36pm |
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Originally posted by silvertop
...out of "literally" 4 + million. If you watch the loons cheering on the streets of Cairo, Islamabad or Tehran and take that as "universal support" for the acts, then you are misguided. I suspect the vast majority - while being naturally aligned to Palestinians - will consider the acts of Oct 7 to be barbaric and not Islamic. The problem is that the ultra right Israeli government has fallen completely into Hamas' trap (as they had no hope of avoiding). It is their acts that have now galvanized the Islamic world in "universal support" for the millions of Palestinians. Don't confuse the two. [Link]
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 21 Feb 24 5.37pm |
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The mightily impressive Norman Finkelstein again makes absolute mincemeat of the nonsensical arguments in favour of the continued war crimes taking place in Gaza. You'll note that even as a Jewish man, born to Holocaust-surviving parents, Finkelstein is constantly accused of being antisemitic and even a holocaust denier by the Israeli propogandists.
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| silvertop Portishead 21 Feb 24 5.39pm |
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Special forces rescue of TWO hostages widely celebrated but I thought, feck the Hamas hostage takers; but what was the collateral cost? Total deaths reported as 72. A little less than half non combatant women and children.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 21 Feb 24 5.40pm |
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Originally posted by silvertop
Given it was not what I said or intended to say, the use of the word "clearly" indicates only that it is what you wanted to see. Also, by attacking Danns in the way you have, this is an argument as valid as those who steadfastly support the Israeli position derive personal pleasure from the murder of children. That is, both arguments are rubbish. Whilst I wouldn't accuse anyone of deriving pleasure from what is going on, I do think if you still support Israeli actions at this point that can only really be justified by a worldview where Palestinian lives do not matter, or certainly matter a lot less than others. I fail to see how you can maintain a position that this is acceptable otherwise. When you combine that with some of the overt anti-Islam sentiment you see littered all over these boards, including in this thread, I think people's positions become much more explainable.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 21 Feb 24 6.17pm |
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Originally posted by silvertop
Special forces rescue of TWO hostages widely celebrated but I thought, feck the Hamas hostage takers; but what was the collateral cost? Total deaths reported as 72. A little less than half non combatant women and children. The IDF also killed 3 of the Israeli hostages in that operation and 5 more in serious condition.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 21 Feb 24 7.19pm |
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Shameful scenes in the commons today - what a farce.
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| cryrst The garden of England 21 Feb 24 7.34pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Whilst I wouldn't accuse anyone of deriving pleasure from what is going on, I do think if you still support Israeli actions at this point that can only really be justified by a worldview where Palestinian lives do not matter, or certainly matter a lot less than others. I fail to see how you can maintain a position that this is acceptable otherwise. When you combine that with some of the overt anti-Islam sentiment you see littered all over these boards, including in this thread, I think people's positions become much more explainable. Actually having a position isn’t so wrong. Unlike some flip flops on here . Edited by cryrst (21 Feb 2024 7.35pm)
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| Matov 21 Feb 24 9.53pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Shameful scenes in the commons today - what a farce. Absolutely. Disgraceful behaviour from the Speaker. Going against accepted conventions. Out of interest, and this is a loaded question, when Bercow did similar by way of going against similar conventions over Brexit did you object then?
"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell. |
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