Didn't I say that my own view was different at the start. You misunderstand me. I'm saying the mainstream consensus was not reflective of the reality but instead only pushed the governmental line.

Ok, show we where these has been publicly discussed in the mainstream? I'm talking mainstream here. I suggest to you that the vast bulk of people in the country are not aware of this. They are aware of the companies behind the vaccines but not the corruption nor the judgements found against them.

I'm on here doubting the Aliens stuff myself. However my opinion is subject to incoming information.

What you are suggesting here is that recent employees of government agencies assigned to this area have very publicly lied to congress about the existence of alien technology and biological matter in governmental possession.

Maybe, maybe not....it's quite a serious charge if true.

Instead you think it's a conspiracy theory to expand 'defence spending'?

Well, I don't expect this to end here and I guess we will see what emerges from this.

Also, isn't it a bit selective to push Musk forward as an authority when you dismiss him elsewhere. So Musk I guess if Musk hasn't come across aliens then they don't exist.....yeah ok.

Regardless of whether you're right about that or not you are indirectly confirming what I'm saying anyway: government don't tell the truth and are corrupt as hell just as much as the corporations they often employ.

So those that question official narratives on recent events should really be treated fairly rather than dismissed.....I'm not really saying you're the worst offender in those terms.....but I think we have seen plenty of that on Hol.

People may be right or wrong but the debate is there to be had.

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'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

If we look at what happened in Cyprus with people losing most of their savings to the banks. Something similar may happen here.

The point being that even people considered rich will not be rich anymore. Just a few elites and their lackeys eating steak while we eat ze bugs.

I believe these psychopaths want it all and plan to take it

" You're not laughing now are you". Nigel Farage 2016.

I don’t think anyone’s view at the start was correct because no one knew exactly what they were dealing with. So maybe later on sure but the government was managing people as well as the science. Some people don’t like that but that’s what you’ve got to do to keep order. The question is more should it have persisted for so long, with hindsight, maybe not. Hard one to call.

All the examples I’ve given were at the time widely discussed. Certainly in the Mail over here, and certainly on mainstream news channels.

Re aliens - my opinion is also subject to change based on proof. So far, none.

Re. Lying to congress, you do know that other people besides corporates and governments lie, right? Or does that only work for you when it’s the people you don’t like vs the people you do have a soft spot for - the military. Don’t let emotion cloud your judgement. Again, many dropped a lot of their outlandish claims when they set foot in the hearings - which says it all.

On aliens - you misread the quote - he doesn’t think it’s an active conspiracy (amuse) his point is that if a government was in possession of such things they wouldn’t just be sitting on it all twiddling their thumbs. They’d use it for gain.

I also buy the terrestrial angle (thedrive article) more than the outlandish one. More likely the US govt cocking up than anything else.

Definitely life elsewhere in the universe but is it regularly dropping in here, exceedingly unlikely.

On musk - so you’re saying people can’t agree with some things others say and disagree with others? Odd. All or nothing? Doesn’t seem very balanced

For the record I agree with a lot of what he says and does. Just not all of it. Sometimes he can be a complete imbecile despite his intellect, much like some of us. However just because I don’t agree with him on some things doesn’t mean I can’t agree on others. I’m not as partisan as that, not by a long stretch

Anyone has the right to question any narratives they like. Being treated fairly - slightly amusing considering the pile ons that come from both angles on this site including you, however, if people present a well put together argument rather than ones with enough holes to sink a battleship or that are clearly the same old copy pasted tropes (ie laziness, no independent thought) most people will enter into more reasoned debate. You usually do so. The parrot less and less. People are more than entitled to take each other out over flimsy opinions or poorly constructed arguments.

Finally yes, totally agree. The debate is there to be had. But don’t go crying if you get counterpunched in the face (politely).

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

The stakeholder capitalism / profit-led approach makes total sense considering the trajectory of tech corps. I'm still yet to hear a better future scenario than tech and automation leading to mass unemployment balanced out by mass universal income and a much leaner, highly educated workforce managing said automation and the symbiotic relationship with AI. By that point more immersive tech would probably have developed to the point where people can effectively be placated enough not to lose meaning through lack of purpose (work) and rebel. A bit dystopian, but we're kind of there already with the cyborgian relationship we have with our various devices and the internet. Phone zombies etc. This site, FFS. And that's now...

Not really that farfetched if you understand the pace of change and what may be coming with regards to AI, automation and tech.

All that said, I'm not a big fan of the 'Great Reset' term. It's been misappropriated into something it isn't by the conspiracy crowd. I think it ends up distracting from the real issues with reform and strategy post 2008 which are touched on in that article.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

Scotland's COVID response addressed. Longer lockdowns and worse figures is not a good result for a country with not much more than half the population of London.

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It's sad to see that the level of dishonesty and spreading of misinformation present in this thread from the start remains unabated and untouched by the benefit of hindsight.

Nobody ever suggested that the virus could be controlled by the measures being taken. What happened was to find ways, in an unknown and fast-developing, situation, to reduce exposure and mitigate the impact until the more effective impact of vaccination was available. That other "theories" were promoted by sceptics was as inevitable as they are irrelevant. Our government, along with many others, decided not to adopt what looked like a high-risk strategy. They knew the cost would be high, but decided that the cost of not doing it was higher. That information campaigns encouraged cooperation and compliance was hardly surprising or unneeded. It's what a government does to make policy effective.

The alternatives were discussed in the MSM but were quickly dismissed for not being viable, in the circumstances prevailing in the UK. Of course that doesn't stop some still banging on about it now and claiming things would be better if only they had been listened to. We might have won the Champions League if I had been appointed manager 10 years ago. It seems as likely to me but as neither happened we will never know, hence it's irrelevant.

The enquiry is the place to review events and for the lessons to be learned. Cool heads there will deliver some useful guidance for any future similar situations.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.