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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 15 Jul 19 1.31pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Mapletree Or perhaps that is you. As you appear to be a little hard of thinking, here are some quotes They often told the panel that the perpetrator groups were 'Asian' without a more detailed analysis, including whether this label referred to nationality or ethnicity. The Inquiry was informed in several site visits of groups of perpetrators who were described generically as 'Asian' but who, upon further investigation, turned out to include Afghan, Kurdish and White British perpetrators. Where records exist, between a quarter and half of groups of abusers are Asian An Asian is a person who comes from or is associated with a country or region in Asia. There are 48 countries in Asia today, according to the United Nations. In reality, it could well be that this is a pakistani problem. But we don't have the proof. Edited by Mapletree (15 Jul 2019 1.16pm) The report tries to lay the blame on data collectors and says that some gangs include the odd Afghan, Kurd or even White British offenders. Which begs the question about what British citizens are categorised as. This could well include many of 'Asian' origin. Since you want to discuss the geography of Asia, I presume you want to talk about the groups of Chinese, Phillipino and Japanese abusers. Yet, they do not exist as you and this report well shows. I could list 10s of countries and you and this report would not mention them because there is no problem. So having discounted the odd Afghan and Kurd and knowing that this report allows for a minimum of 25 percent of all grooming gangs to be Asian - I think it is pretty safe to say that (at a very low estimate using obviously downplayed figures) we are still left with 25 percent of child grooming gangs being pakistani. And as I already asked - this is highly over representative for the percentage of the population they make up. I am merely interpreting the report in a sensible way. I can quite clearly see this is doing it's level best to downplay the race element here and certainly is not going to delve too far into certain cultural influences. The only figures offered demonstrate a massive pakistani involvement, yet the conclusion tries to ignore that. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 15 Jul 19 1.31pm

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Originally posted by Mapletree

Or perhaps that is you.

As you appear to be a little hard of thinking, here are some quotes

They often told the panel that the perpetrator groups were 'Asian' without a more detailed analysis, including whether this label referred to nationality or ethnicity. The Inquiry was informed in several site visits of groups of perpetrators who were described generically as 'Asian' but who, upon further investigation, turned out to include Afghan, Kurdish and White British perpetrators.

Where records exist, between a quarter and half of groups of abusers are Asian

An Asian is a person who comes from or is associated with a country or region in Asia.

There are 48 countries in Asia today, according to the United Nations.

In reality, it could well be that this is a pakistani problem. But we don't have the proof.

Edited by Mapletree (15 Jul 2019 1.16pm)

The report tries to lay the blame on data collectors and says that some gangs include the odd Afghan, Kurd or even White British offenders. Which begs the question about what British citizens are categorised as. This could well include many of 'Asian' origin.
Since you want to discuss the geography of Asia, I presume you want to talk about the groups of Chinese, Phillipino and Japanese abusers. Yet, they do not exist as you and this report well shows. I could list 10s of countries and you and this report would not mention them because there is no problem.
So having discounted the odd Afghan and Kurd and knowing that this report allows for a minimum of 25 percent of all grooming gangs to be Asian - I think it is pretty safe to say that (at a very low estimate using obviously downplayed figures) we are still left with 25 percent of child grooming gangs being pakistani. And as I already asked - this is highly over representative for the percentage of the population they make up.
I am merely interpreting the report in a sensible way. I can quite clearly see this is doing it's level best to downplay the race element here and certainly is not going to delve too far into certain cultural influences.
The only figures offered demonstrate a massive pakistani involvement, yet the conclusion tries to ignore that.

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Hrolf The Ganger 15 Jul 19 1.37pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Mapletree Been raped yet? Just make sure you keep a proper eye on them, you know they are all Muslim don't you. And you know what that means... Do you know how ridiculous you appear? Similar mass rape gangs in multiple different towns, 99% of which were pakistani Muslims and 99% of the victims were White and your focus is quibbling about definitions and insinuating racism. I have lost all respect for you.
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Originally posted by Mapletree

Been raped yet? Just make sure you keep a proper eye on them, you know they are all Muslim don't you. And you know what that means...

Do you know how ridiculous you appear?

Similar mass rape gangs in multiple different towns, 99% of which were pakistani Muslims and 99% of the victims were White and your focus is quibbling about definitions and insinuating racism.

I have lost all respect for you.

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Mapletree Croydon 15 Jul 19 1.46pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Do you know how ridiculous you appear? Similar mass rape gangs in multiple different towns, 99% of which were pakistani Muslims and 99% of the victims were White and your focus is quibbling about definitions and insinuating racism. I have lost all respect for you. You had respect for me? No, 99% of the perpetrators weren't pakistani Muslims. ''According to data submitted by 31 police forces, in 2012 there were 57 groups who were known or suspected of sexually abusing teenagers and young adults on the basis of their vulnerability (rather than as a result of a specific interest in children). The abuse in these cases involved physical contact. Of these groups: 50% of were all-Asian, 21% all-white, and 17% included members from multiple ethnicities.'' If this proves to be principally a pakistani problem then it is clear it isn't a generic Muslim problem, innit.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Do you know how ridiculous you appear?

Similar mass rape gangs in multiple different towns, 99% of which were pakistani Muslims and 99% of the victims were White and your focus is quibbling about definitions and insinuating racism.

I have lost all respect for you.

You had respect for me?

No, 99% of the perpetrators weren't pakistani Muslims.

''According to data submitted by 31 police forces, in 2012 there were 57 groups who were known or suspected of sexually abusing teenagers and young adults on the basis of their vulnerability (rather than as a result of a specific interest in children). The abuse in these cases involved physical contact. Of these groups:

50% of were all-Asian, 21% all-white, and 17% included members from multiple ethnicities.''

If this proves to be principally a pakistani problem then it is clear it isn't a generic Muslim problem, innit.

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cryrst The garden of England 15 Jul 19 1.57pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Mapletree You had respect for me? No, 99% of the perpetrators weren't pakistani Muslims. ''According to data submitted by 31 police forces, in 2012 there were 57 groups who were known or suspected of sexually abusing teenagers and young adults on the basis of their vulnerability (rather than as a result of a specific interest in children). The abuse in these cases involved physical contact. Of these groups: 50% of were all-Asian, 21% all-white, and 17% included members from multiple ethnicities.'' If this proves to be principally a pakistani problem then it is clear it isn't a generic Muslim problem, innit. It is the state that add pakistani. Ask any Muslim if that's their go to rather than where from. It's a Muslim issue. The Quran issue.
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Originally posted by Mapletree

You had respect for me?

No, 99% of the perpetrators weren't pakistani Muslims.

50% of were all-Asian, 21% all-white, and 17% included members from multiple ethnicities.''

If this proves to be principally a pakistani problem then it is clear it isn't a generic Muslim problem, innit.

It is the state that add pakistani.
Ask any Muslim if that's their go to rather than where from.
It's a Muslim issue.
The Quran issue.

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cryrst The garden of England 15 Jul 19 1.59pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Mapletree You had respect for me? No, 99% of the perpetrators weren't pakistani Muslims. ''According to data submitted by 31 police forces, in 2012 there were 57 groups who were known or suspected of sexually abusing teenagers and young adults on the basis of their vulnerability (rather than as a result of a specific interest in children). The abuse in these cases involved physical contact. Of these groups: 50% of were all-Asian, 21% all-white, and 17% included members from multiple ethnicities.'' If this proves to be principally a pakistani problem then it is clear it isn't a generic Muslim problem, innit. You said generic! It's never been stated it is all muslims as you sort of infer. It's a minority. Still a big minority.
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The garden of England 15 Jul 19 1.59pm

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Originally posted by Mapletree

You had respect for me?

No, 99% of the perpetrators weren't pakistani Muslims.

50% of were all-Asian, 21% all-white, and 17% included members from multiple ethnicities.''

If this proves to be principally a pakistani problem then it is clear it isn't a generic Muslim problem, innit.

You said generic!
It's never been stated it is all muslims as you sort of infer.
It's a minority.
Still a big minority.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Jul 19 2.23pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle I just found this on the BBC website. Now I expect howls of cynical rejection of "left wing bias" but try to suspend them for a moment. This is from the BBC Hone Affairs Correspondent and it gives a very interesting and entirely factual account of his upbringing, early life and then more recent activities. I found it an interesting take on what has happened:- [Link] It's pretty eye opening I think but I await the anticipated denials. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 15 Jul 19 2.23pm

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I just found this on the BBC website. Now I expect howls of cynical rejection of "left wing bias" but try to suspend them for a moment. This is from the BBC Hone Affairs Correspondent and it gives a very interesting and entirely factual account of his upbringing, early life and then more recent activities. I found it an interesting take on what has happened:-

[Link]

It's pretty eye opening I think but I await the anticipated denials.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 15 Jul 19 2.35pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I just found this on the BBC website. Now I expect howls of cynical rejection of "left wing bias" but try to suspend them for a moment. This is from the BBC Hone Affairs Correspondent and it gives a very interesting and entirely factual account of his upbringing, early life and then more recent activities. I found it an interesting take on what has happened:- [Link] It's pretty eye opening I think but I await the anticipated denials. I found it great comedy. There isn't even a need for balanced journalism on Robinson. God forbid anybody has an issue with radical Islam, Grooming gangs or people calling soldiers murderers. You would be far right if you dared to question the teachings of Islam. Best to just shut up, say nothing or else get sent to prison and banned from everything. For me, Tommy Robinson is no particular hero but he doesn't need to concoct anything about an agenda against him. I'm genuinely surprised you can't see it - with your obvious penchant for fairness. Red and Blue Army!
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

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It's pretty eye opening I think but I await the anticipated denials.

I found it great comedy. There isn't even a need for balanced journalism on Robinson. God forbid anybody has an issue with radical Islam, Grooming gangs or people calling soldiers murderers. You would be far right if you dared to question the teachings of Islam. Best to just shut up, say nothing or else get sent to prison and banned from everything.
For me, Tommy Robinson is no particular hero but he doesn't need to concoct anything about an agenda against him. I'm genuinely surprised you can't see it - with your obvious penchant for fairness.

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Hrolf The Ganger 15 Jul 19 2.57pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Mapletree You had respect for me? No, 99% of the perpetrators weren't pakistani Muslims. ''According to data submitted by 31 police forces, in 2012 there were 57 groups who were known or suspected of sexually abusing teenagers and young adults on the basis of their vulnerability (rather than as a result of a specific interest in children). The abuse in these cases involved physical contact. Of these groups: 50% of were all-Asian, 21% all-white, and 17% included members from multiple ethnicities.'' If this proves to be principally a pakistani problem then it is clear it isn't a generic Muslim problem, innit. Only 1% of the population are pakistani men. Please desist with your misleading apologist garbage and stop refering to these rapists as 'Asians'.
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Originally posted by Mapletree

You had respect for me?

No, 99% of the perpetrators weren't pakistani Muslims.

50% of were all-Asian, 21% all-white, and 17% included members from multiple ethnicities.''

If this proves to be principally a pakistani problem then it is clear it isn't a generic Muslim problem, innit.

Only 1% of the population are pakistani men.

Please desist with your misleading apologist garbage
and stop refering to these rapists as 'Asians'.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Jul 19 3.06pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by ASCPFC I found it great comedy. There isn't even a need for balanced journalism on Robinson. God forbid anybody has an issue with radical Islam, Grooming gangs or people calling soldiers murderers. You would be far right if you dared to question the teachings of Islam. Best to just shut up, say nothing or else get sent to prison and banned from everything. For me, Tommy Robinson is no particular hero but he doesn't need to concoct anything about an agenda against him. I'm genuinely surprised you can't see it - with your obvious penchant for fairness. The article expressed no opinions about anything, including grooming gangs or radical Islam. I think it's safe to assume that the BBC doesn't approve of either. It was simply a factual record of his life and activities and contained some things I had not known before. It helps I think to determine whether there is "an agenda against him" or whether his troubles are entirely of his own making. Reading it firms up my own view that it is the latter. Getting rich from winding up the impressionable might be a smart way to earn a living, even if you have to spend some time in jail as a martyr. It doesn't though help to solve anything. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Originally posted by ASCPFC

The article expressed no opinions about anything, including grooming gangs or radical Islam. I think it's safe to assume that the BBC doesn't approve of either. It was simply a factual record of his life and activities and contained some things I had not known before.

It helps I think to determine whether there is "an agenda against him" or whether his troubles are entirely of his own making. Reading it firms up my own view that it is the latter.

Getting rich from winding up the impressionable might be a smart way to earn a living, even if you have to spend some time in jail as a martyr. It doesn't though help to solve anything.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Mapletree Croydon 15 Jul 19 3.06pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Only 1% of the population are pakistani men. Please desist with your misleading apologist garbage and stop refering to these rapists as 'Asians'. I never use apologist language I have not referred to the rapists as 'Asians', that is from the official reviews undertaken. But pray tell why? Do you mean we should categorise them as Muslims? Because of your personal agenda? I am perfectly happy to make the assumption that the 'Asian' individuals concerned in up to half of the gangs were mostly pakistani. As previously stated, it may well be there is something wrong with the society in which they are based.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Only 1% of the population are pakistani men.

Please desist with your misleading apologist garbage
and stop refering to these rapists as 'Asians'.

I never use apologist language

I have not referred to the rapists as 'Asians', that is from the official reviews undertaken. But pray tell why? Do you mean we should categorise them as Muslims? Because of your personal agenda?

I am perfectly happy to make the assumption that the 'Asian' individuals concerned in up to half of the gangs were mostly pakistani. As previously stated, it may well be there is something wrong with the society in which they are based.

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Stirlingsays 15 Jul 19 3.26pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle East Asians and other groups like Sikhs/Hindus get annoyed with the 'Asian description because they get lumped in. It's a very undefined description to use a continent to identify a group who almost all come from the same actual country and religion. Obscuring the truth to bend the knee to political correctness and the activists within the left and that group. Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Jul 2019 3.31pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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East Asians and other groups like Sikhs/Hindus get annoyed with the 'Asian description because they get lumped in.

It's a very undefined description to use a continent to identify a group who almost all come from the same actual country and religion.

Obscuring the truth to bend the knee to political correctness and the activists within the left and that group.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Jul 2019 3.31pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 15 Jul 19 3.36pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle The article expressed no opinions about anything, including grooming gangs or radical Islam. I think it's safe to assume that the BBC doesn't approve of either. It was simply a factual record of his life and activities and contained some things I had not known before. It helps I think to determine whether there is "an agenda against him" or whether his troubles are entirely of his own making. Reading it firms up my own view that it is the latter. Getting rich from winding up the impressionable might be a smart way to earn a living, even if you have to spend some time in jail as a martyr. It doesn't though help to solve anything. That article is loaded entirely. The BBC seem to be just as guilty of earning a living from winding up the impressionable, in fact, more so than Robinson. I ask - can you seriously see no opinion or bias in this article? Red and Blue Army!
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It helps I think to determine whether there is "an agenda against him" or whether his troubles are entirely of his own making. Reading it firms up my own view that it is the latter.

Getting rich from winding up the impressionable might be a smart way to earn a living, even if you have to spend some time in jail as a martyr. It doesn't though help to solve anything.

That article is loaded entirely. The BBC seem to be just as guilty of earning a living from winding up the impressionable, in fact, more so than Robinson.
I ask - can you seriously see no opinion or bias in this article?

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