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 Midlands Eagle  27 Jan 19 11.42am |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Total nonsense If you told the 52% you would be financially worse off in 2 years with no obvious sign of when they would get a return I doubt it would be 52% If it is clear that people would lose initially then the benefits should also be clear and obvious. They are not You want people to invest and risk their futures without telling them how or when it will pay off We were told at the time that it could be short term pain for long term gain
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 27 Jan 19 11.46am |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Total nonsense If you told the 52% you would be financially worse off in 2 years with no obvious sign of when they would get a return I doubt it would be 52% If it is clear that people would lose initially then the benefits should also be clear and obvious. They are not You want people to invest and risk their futures without telling them how or when it will pay off Edited by Pussay Patrol (27 Jan 2019 10.55am) There is ZERO evidence people would be worse off! Do you have any? Or do you have a crystal ball?
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| Matov 27 Jan 19 11.50am |
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We were told, prior to 23/6, that we would have an immediate loss of over 500,000 jobs along with the country sliding into a technical recession if we voted Leave. And please, nobody waste my time with those whole 'we ain't left yet' spiel. Project Fear was around immediate consequences of a Leave vote. And we still voted leave. The potential financial loss was factored in and still 52% voted leave.
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| dannyboy1978 27 Jan 19 11.58am |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Total nonsense If you told the 52% you would be financially worse off in 2 years with no obvious sign of when they would get a return I doubt it would be 52% If it is clear that people would lose initially then the benefits should also be clear and obvious. They are not You want people to invest and risk their futures without telling them how or when it will pay off Edited by Pussay Patrol (27 Jan 2019 10.55am) No one is financially worse of am might not be. In fact alot of people are earning more now, especially compared to the French, Germans and pigs who are in recession.
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 27 Jan 19 12.00pm |
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Leave would have won by a far bigger margin had many people not believed the economic armageddon the government and establishment promised would happen. Lots of my friends voted remain because they were worried about an instant recession and house market crash. It didn't happen. And the elites are still doing it NOW with scare stories about 'no deal' (which is in fact Brexit). Yet people are falling for this bulls***.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 27 Jan 19 12.01pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
Absolutely. And events determined that Parliament, by a huge margin, decided to go to the British people and offer them a simple Leave or Remain choice. With a no small print promise to implement that decision. And 52% voted to leave. Providing Parliament with their policy to follow. That simple. That's one of the problems with the Leavers. They want events to stop with the referendum. Time was not frozen then. Nothing stays the same. Everything evolves and we need to adapt and modify as events unfold. Those who stand still get left behind.
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| Stirlingsays 27 Jan 19 12.08pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That's one of the problems with the Leavers. They want events to stop with the referendum. Time was not frozen then. Nothing stays the same. Everything evolves and we need to adapt and modify as events unfold. Those who stand still get left behind. Yeah, time allows the liars to work their one eyed propaganda. Since the vote we have seen the vast body of mainstream media pushing the anti Brexit and remain narrative, just as they did before the vote itself. Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Jan 2019 12.09pm)
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| Matov 27 Jan 19 12.09pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That's one of the problems with the Leavers. They want events to stop with the referendum. Time was not frozen then. Nothing stays the same. Everything evolves and we need to adapt and modify as events unfold. Those who stand still get left behind. The 'event' on June 23rd was a legitimate democratic vote. The very core of how our society is meant to function. To not implement that decision undermines the very basis on which our society is meant to define itself. If we do not leave the EU based on that decision, why should I ever bother voting again? Why should I have any good faith that voting means anything anymore?
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 27 Jan 19 12.14pm |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
Leave would have won by a far bigger margin had many people not believed the economic armageddon the government and establishment promised would happen. Lots of my friends voted remain because they were worried about an instant recession and house market crash. It didn't happen. And the elites are still doing it NOW with scare stories about 'no deal' (which is in fact Brexit). Yet people are falling for this bulls***. If you believe that then you are living in cloud cuckoo land. Most leavers, in my opinion, and supported by every analysis I have read, voted primarily because of a desire to control immigration. They had no real idea of the economic impact and saw the various claims on both sides as politicking. In my view the current projections, even from informed leavers, of the economic impact is understated. Whilst some hardline Euro-sceptics voted to leave because of their convictions, whatever the economic consequences (some of those would actually have benefitted), most leaver voters would not and, if they had really understood, would not have so voted. Which I guess is why the hardliners are digging in now, because they know the tide has turned.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 27 Jan 19 12.20pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
The 'event' on June 23rd was a legitimate democratic vote. The very core of how our society is meant to function. To not implement that decision undermines the very basis on which our society is meant to define itself. If we do not leave the EU based on that decision, why should I ever bother voting again? Why should I have any good faith that voting means anything anymore?
Referendums have no legal status in the UK. Only Parliament can make laws. Parliament voted to respect the result and confirmed that decision at a GE. However, what Parliament decides, Parliament can reverse. Laws can be repealed. That a large group of people are going to be upset if we don't leave is obvious. If any even larger group would be upset if we do then why should the first group's views dominate just because of a 2016 vote? Events change things and we don't just stand still and watch them. We act. This is Parliament's job to decide. That's the way our democracy works.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 27 Jan 19 12.25pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Yeah, time allows the liars to work their one eyed propaganda. Since the vote we have seen the vast body of mainstream media pushing the anti Brexit and remain narrative, just as they did before the vote itself. Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Jan 2019 12.09pm) You are another who sounds like Trump. Anything you don't agree with is a "lie" or "fake news". I see plenty of opportunities being given media exposure by all sides of the current debate. Would you prefer that only people like Farage and JRM were allowed to voice their opinions?
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| davenotamonkey 27 Jan 19 12.36pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
If you believe that then you are living in cloud cuckoo land. Most leavers, in my opinion, and supported by every analysis I have read, voted primarily because of a desire to control immigration. They had no real idea of the economic impact and saw the various claims on both sides as politicking. In my view the current projections, even from informed leavers, of the economic impact is understated. Whilst some hardline Euro-sceptics voted to leave because of their convictions, whatever the economic consequences (some of those would actually have benefitted), most leaver voters would not and, if they had really understood, would not have so voted. Which I guess is why the hardliners are digging in now, because they know the tide has turned. Sigh. You can't have read around very much, can you? Literally the very first analysis, as close to an exit-poll as was possible, and by far the most comprehensive immediate post-voting gauge of sentiment, before you lot started your very expensive misinformation war that you've waged for the past 2.5 years. It's called confirmation bias, by the way. You can't take a pill for it.
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