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Badger11 Beckenham 27 Jan 19 9.22am | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Some of that but more photos of kids with ‘my life is ruined, placards and hashtags and woos on channel 4’s The Last Leg whenever the Australian presenter whinges about Brexit. The 2 on the sofa are funny about everyone, including leave politicians. LOL MY 7yo daughter said mummy ......
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Pussay Patrol 27 Jan 19 9.30am | |
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Originally posted by ChrisGC
Please try to be better than to say leave voters lack intelligence: nobody was ever persuaded to come around to your point of view by being insulted. As for in bold, to what to you refer? I wasn't insulting anyone, my point is that despite the vote people should, in this day and age, not just be like robots and accept the referendum result if it turns out it was not in their best interests after all, in the same way if you signed a contract personally or at work which you later find out shows it would be detrimental and lose you money, you should be intelligent enough to renegotiate or have a rethink not just accept it and take your medicine
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ChrisGC Wantage 27 Jan 19 9.40am | |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
I wasn't insulting anyone, my point is that despite the vote people should, in this day and age, not just be like robots and accept the referendum result if it turns out it was not in their best interests after all, in the same way if you signed a contract personally or at work which you later find out shows it would be detrimental and lose you money, you should be intelligent enough to renegotiate or have a rethink not just accept it and take your medicine What's the clear and obvious harm?
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ChrisGC Wantage 27 Jan 19 9.43am | |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
I wonder what better position we would be in if all the remainers had accepted the vote and all our politicians worked in unity. I think we will leave the EU and we will be ok and remaining politicians will have to live with their views for ever recorded and replayed as traitors of the state. Every one should be named and shamed and go down in history next to guy fawks. Spot on.
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Pussay Patrol 27 Jan 19 9.59am | |
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Originally posted by Matov
But that is the crux of democracy. We had a vote. A decision was made. A promise had been given. How on earth have we got a position where it is 'bloody minded' to expect a democratic decision to be acted upon? This is where I struggle with so many on the 'Remain' side. It is as though democratic princples never meant anything to them. The result on June 23rd has to be honoured. And with no dely. Failure to do so holds the potential to see this country descend into a civil conflict that will result in the loss of life. This is how serious this is now. There will be no shrugging of shoulders if the 52% are betrayed. We have gone past that. All that happens is the divide gets worse and worse. When we leave the EU then feel free to campaign for us to rejoin. That is a perfectly valid position to hold. Best of British. But seriously. 'Bloody minded' because when I voted on June 23rd I did so in utter good faith that the decision would be acted upon? And that I am cross because people want to see my vote effectively tossed aside as worthless? I think most people who voted leave did so under the impression that the benefits would be compelling and we would leave the EU in a smooth and orderly transition that would not cause any economic harm and disruption to our way of life Brexit is not delivering on that.
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Pussay Patrol 27 Jan 19 10.07am | |
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Originally posted by ChrisGC
What's the clear and obvious harm? The current uncertainty is causing economic harm, with many companies relocating resulting in job losses, many respected company CEOs have expressed concern over the uncertainty and how Brexit has been handled, our currency has been weak ever since 2016 and not recovered. If the benefits are not clear and obvious we shouldn't leave
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 27 Jan 19 10.13am | |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
I think most people who voted leave did so under the impression that the benefits would be compelling and we would leave the EU in a smooth and orderly transition that would not cause any economic harm and disruption to our way of life Brexit is not delivering on that. That’s the biggest load of sh1t you’ve posted on this thread. Many knew it would be rocky.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 27 Jan 19 10.15am | |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
The current uncertainty is causing economic harm, with many companies relocating resulting in job losses, many respected company CEOs have expressed concern over the uncertainty and how Brexit has been handled, our currency has been weak ever since 2016 and not recovered. If the benefits are not clear and obvious we shouldn't leave The ones you’ve posted about this week cost 2 jobs. The British Labour market is valued and a weaker pound is good for exports.
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ChrisGC Wantage 27 Jan 19 10.17am | |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
The current uncertainty is causing economic harm, with many companies relocating resulting in job losses, many respected company CEOs have expressed concern over the uncertainty and how Brexit has been handled, our currency has been weak ever since 2016 and not recovered. If the benefits are not clear and obvious we shouldn't leave Our export market is the best it's been in years due to the 'weak' pound, unemployment is at a record low. Youth unemployment figures are the 4th lowest in Europe. The economy has grown, not by a lot, but it's not crashed or shrunk as predicted just on the referendum result alone: and all this with May's incompetence. Respected CEOs? Which? CEOs, maybe. As for relocation, the big firms of Europe and in the EU are setting up offices here, which blows the mass exodus theory out of the water. If we leave we won't be held up by the 27 member approval time lag on all decisions and the competition in tech and industry are particularly frightened of that strength. So I ask again, what is the clear and obvious harm which you speak of?
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 27 Jan 19 10.17am | |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
The current uncertainty is causing economic harm, with many companies relocating resulting in job losses, many respected company CEOs have expressed concern over the uncertainty and how Brexit has been handled, our currency has been weak ever since 2016 and not recovered. If the benefits are not clear and obvious we shouldn't leave For the 1,000th time, this was a decision made on the future of the country, not the immediate pocket and disposable income.
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dannyboy1978 27 Jan 19 10.23am | |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
I think most people who voted leave did so under the impression that the benefits would be compelling and we would leave the EU in a smooth and orderly transition that would not cause any economic harm and disruption to our way of life Brexit is not delivering on that. We haven't even left and wages are going up with less EU labour coming over. But you keep focusing on the negatives
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ChrisGC Wantage 27 Jan 19 10.38am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
No, it's not universally accepted at all. Trying to reach an agreement with the EU that will also be accepted by Parliament, whilst avoiding a no deal outcome which I am quite sure she knows would be a disaster is no easy task. Keyboard warriors who think they know how to do everything better than those whose job it is are two a penny. I trust experts to do things I have no skill in. As soon as it's clear that no deal isn't an option, all negotiation strength is lost. The opponent can do whatever they want, knowing that you'll accept anything over nothing. It's weak and against the number one negotiation rule: always be prepared to walk away. If you were haggling over the price of a car and you said to the salesman " I absolutely will not leave without this car", what sort of a 'deal' would you get? As it is, no deal is what I was voting for. We have no obligation to negotiate, and it's only in the EU's best interest that we do. May, havingoved away from the legal text which dictates how to leave the EU, has created a mess in an attempt to give us Hobson's choice: Remain, or remain plus 40billion. Inadvertently, her blunder may yet deliver us leaving the EU on the proper terms as the clock runs out, but I don't hold my breath.
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