Still missing the point. With the grooming gangs we were told speculation was worthless and to wait for the report before coming to any conclusions but in this case it's fine to decide all the facts within days.
The influence of the far right is unknown and as such is distracting from the real question - Why are so many people in different areas acting in this way?
Dismissing them all as extreme right wing racist nutjobs might be reassuring but that likely isn't the full story

That’s because there are no relevant facts to decide. If a rape has happened there’s no point in trying to get inside the mind of the rapist until you have found him and made sure he cannot do it again. Investigations can wait, enquiries held and reports made later.

The same with these riots. They exist. We know what triggered them and how they were spread. There is nothing to wait for. Those involved need to be traced and punished.

It is simply incorrect to suggest the influence of the far right is unknown, when the police have evidence of the activities of the influencers. How else do you think they know where they were going to happen?

How many of the actual rioters hold far right views, is unknown. Some were simply yobs who probably have views that are just xenophobic rather than anything more sophisticated. Some may have just been angry and wound up by misinformation.

None of that matters. It can all wait for an enquiry. What matters is to stop the rioting and deter it starting again. That means curtailing the influence of the known far right agitators behind it by ensuring that anyone tempted to believe their hatred will suffer severe consequences.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

The influence on the rioters is unknown and a dismissal of those involved as xenophobic yobs is an example of why some take to the streets.
How did anyone know it was going to happen? How did any civic unrest happen before social media existed?

I normally don’t read your posts because they’re too long and waffle on about nothing really.

I know she condemns the RIOTING without any caveats. She doesn’t condemn protesting.

The issues working classes have is linked to the incidents recently. Why have they happened in working class areas only? Because of social media? Do us all a favour. It is your kind of view and approach which is partly to blame for ignoring these parts of the uk. It’s ok for them to take and put up with mass migration. It’s ok for them to put up with grooming gangs and harassment towards women and young girls just walking in the local area. Next it will be ok for them to go further back in the queue for social housing once this ‘scatter’ policy takes effect and they move the many thousands of single men from hotels and into one and two bedroom flats.

You look at people beneath you and think they should absorb the negatives, while you observe from afar, turning a blind eye to the real effects of policies that nobody voted for yet ruin communities and further mistrust of government. Not only that but they aren’t able to think for themselves or join the dots together and only form an opinion once someone on Tik Tok or X or Facebook tells them to.

Well I have news for you. I think it’s something like 40 odd percent agree with the grievances of protesters and 30% think they should be happening. They aren’t all being instructed in how to think by a few people on social media. They come to their own conclusions which you can’t stand because the reasons are true, not misinformation.

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Leftie protestors asked if they will take in a ‘refugee’ (economic migrant in nearly all cases). Everyone says they can’t. No room at the inn.

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Sorry, but you are in denial.

The influence of the social media disinformation and encouragement is well established. It is the only possible reason on why, where and when the riots happened. They did not just appear spontaneously. I did not suggest that ALL involved were xenophobic yobs. Or confirmed far right. That some were ought to be obvious, given the behaviour.

What the composition of each riot was is beside the point. They were the useful idiots being used as foot soldiers. Idiots because not showing self restraint, and taking responsibility for your own actions, has put people in jail.

The fact is that the flame that lit the fire came from the far right.

How civil unrest happened before is irrelevant to how it happened this time. There would have been many different precursors. This one is known.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.