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Behind Enemy Lines Flag Sussex 18 Jul 24 11.54am Send a Private Message to Behind Enemy Lines Add Behind Enemy Lines as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

They have to be given a reason.
Reduce the time on planning permission and or give tax relief.

Incentivise or penalise.

I'd like to think that the Labour Party or the civil service have people clever enough to find a way but the evidence is not encouraging.

The more important question is, when will they drastically cut immigration?
How many houses do we want to build for foreigners?
How much of our beautiful countryside do we want to lose with no advantage to ourselves?

We do not need to build any new homes. There, I’ve said it…
Ignoring second homes, 1 in 25 homes is unoccupied. Instead of building, create incentives to bring these back into some form of ownership; it would be a quicker fix and would enable the countryside to remain green.
However, by building you create work - and therefore tax income - for hundreds of industries; bricklayers, groundwork’s, plumbers, electricians, carpenters, painters etc. and hence Labour plan to build its way into a meaningful economy. Shame it involves destroying parts of the countryside to facilitate its aims when repurposing existing dwellings would be an easier option. Another example of common sense being relegated to accommodate an ideology…

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 18 Jul 24 1.03pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines

We do not need to build any new homes. There, I’ve said it…
Ignoring second homes, 1 in 25 homes is unoccupied. Instead of building, create incentives to bring these back into some form of ownership; it would be a quicker fix and would enable the countryside to remain green.
However, by building you create work - and therefore tax income - for hundreds of industries; bricklayers, groundwork’s, plumbers, electricians, carpenters, painters etc. and hence Labour plan to build its way into a meaningful economy. Shame it involves destroying parts of the countryside to facilitate its aims when repurposing existing dwellings would be an easier option. Another example of common sense being relegated to accommodate an ideology…

Repurposing is a great idea. Although I think it's probably insanely complex to implement and would cost significant amounts of money to realise (mainly political admin and legislatorial process)

Building more homes to boost the economy is not exclusive to Labour.

And whilst no-one wants to see countryside destroyed, 90% of it (in England, 98% in Scotland) is still very much undeveloped.

Edited by SW19 CPFC (18 Jul 2024 1.04pm)

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 18 Jul 24 1.21pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

When you hear leftists talking, they don't want to acknowledge the absurdity of struggling with a housing shortage on one hand and then justifying mass immigration on the other.

What is the point of any policy for housing when the problem is being made unfixable.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 18 Jul 24 1.30pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

When you hear leftists talking, they don't want to acknowledge the absurdity of struggling with a housing shortage on one hand and then justifying mass immigration on the other.

What is the point of any policy for housing when the problem is being made unfixable.

There is certainly a cognitive dissonance to it.

We will see....they have their opportunity.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Jul 2024 1.30pm)

 


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EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 18 Jul 24 1.36pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

There is certainly a cognitive dissonance to it.

We will see....they have their opportunity.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Jul 2024 1.30pm)

It’s a similar cognitive dissonance to people who want to drastically reduce immigration with no mention of the enormous public sector job vacancies nor the ageing population and decline in birth rates, I guess.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 18 Jul 24 1.43pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

It’s a similar cognitive dissonance to people who want to drastically reduce immigration with no mention of the enormous public sector job vacancies nor the ageing population and decline in birth rates, I guess.

I've been advocating for women to be incentivised to have more children for years.
That is the root of the problem. We only need to replace ourselves.

Of course, there is a problem with filling jobs, but a large chunk of the workforce is doing nothing.
The education system needs to be geared toward employment, rather than useless degrees and lessons on transgenderism.
It also needs to be easier to train for new roles.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 18 Jul 24 1.51pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

It’s a similar cognitive dissonance to people who want to drastically reduce immigration with no mention of the enormous public sector job vacancies nor the ageing population and decline in birth rates, I guess.

Not to me.

I'm well aware that to change the neoliberal project Europe has engaged on will come with transitional pain. People chose centralism for the easy life, things have to be really bad before they ever turn to the left or right who will actually change things properly...it has to be really bad.

Regardless, to stay the centralist path means economic collapse anyway...personally I predict before the end of the decade. That collapse will make 2008 look like a picnic. Welfare and benefits will be like Greece. It's going to be wild and extremely painful.

In truth that's the real left and right's chance.

Until then whoever is in charge until then will be forced by the system to fall into line to a large extent....You have seen it with Meloni in Italy and Wilders in Denmark...Le Pen has compromised too.

Until the neoliberalism superstructure changes significantly nothing really changes.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 18 Jul 24 2.04pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

A lot of big developers are not acquiring land or buying in London at the moment, certainly in zones 1-2.

The appetite from overseas for off-plan property investments in London has reduced drastically (a lot of that driven by the high lending rates) but also the lack of appreciation in the last 5 or so years.

Go back to 2016, and a developer could launch a new scheme in Singapore or Hong Kong and have it sold out in 24hrs. Now most high-end developments in London are completing with huge amounts unsold.

Without overseas clients overpaying for flats, there is a lot less appetite from the traditional big developers to build and most are looking for new revenue streams.

So on that front I think it's possible that this works - as others have said, the key to it is ensuring the end result includes the quotas for social and affordable housing.

Interesting

 


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EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 18 Jul 24 2.20pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I've been advocating for women to be incentivised to have more children for years.
That is the root of the problem. We only need to replace ourselves.

Of course, there is a problem with filling jobs, but a large chunk of the workforce is doing nothing.
The education system needs to be geared toward employment, rather than useless degrees and lessons on transgenderism.
It also needs to be easier to train for new roles.

Fair enough, but those are all fairly long term fixes and would not reduce our reliance on immigration for many years.

You will always have a chunk of the workforce doing nothing.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 18 Jul 24 2.43pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Fair enough, but those are all fairly long term fixes and would not reduce our reliance on immigration for many years.

You will always have a chunk of the workforce doing nothing.

Granted, but all the time we rely on imported labour, nothing will be done to fix the long term problem.

Work towards solving the problem now. Stop the short term fixes.

If businesses only survive by hiring migrants, then let them go under. What good do they serve in the bigger picture?

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 18 Jul 24 3.02pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

When you hear leftists talking, they don't want to acknowledge the absurdity of struggling with a housing shortage on one hand and then justifying mass immigration on the other.

What is the point of any policy for housing when the problem is being made unfixable.

When you hear conspiracy theory proponents talking they don’t want to acknowledge the absurdity of struggling with a housing shortage by pretending that immigration is to blame.

Workers are needed or the economy fails. Whether those workers come from increased birth rates at home, or from abroad, they need housing.

What needs fixing is the number of us who could work, but choose not to. It wouldn’t solve the problem but it would help reduce the demand for overseas workers.

 


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Behind Enemy Lines Flag Sussex 18 Jul 24 3.52pm Send a Private Message to Behind Enemy Lines Add Behind Enemy Lines as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Repurposing is a great idea. Although I think it's probably insanely complex to implement and would cost significant amounts of money to realise (mainly political admin and legislatorial process)

Building more homes to boost the economy is not exclusive to Labour.

And whilst no-one wants to see countryside destroyed, 90% of it (in England, 98% in Scotland) is still very much undeveloped.

Edited by SW19 CPFC (18 Jul 2024 1.04pm)

I don’t think it would be that complicated to bring back disused dwellings. Incentives are all that are needed. Whether that is by way of council tax increases on vacant properties or grants to make properties suitable for renting. I know some councils have used cpos to bring some housing back into use.
The 90% figure is probably about right; the trouble is that people like me moved to a village because of the lifestyle-mine has 4 house building projects on the go currently so I can self-identify as a NIMBY as there is no consideration for the existing residents-something that can only get worse under a ‘ builders not blockers’ Labour government.

 


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