You said "us can only come up with the same old names. Never other names from multiple sources. Well I've put up names and various sources from various skill sets. semantics on your part I feel. But sure fair enough.

Some of these videos go back a bit. You made a comment on us conspiracy theorists saying that we wouldn't have known the problems lockdown on particular would cause. Not your exact words before you start. When you pretty much close down most of the NHS to deal with a niche market. It wasn't that difficult to work out.

I normally surround my self with excellent people (being a little bit on the dim side sometimes I need to) so I'll take Stirling.

Alternative has something that's been missing for a while. So I'd embrace it.

By the way. Don't ever in your life associate me with John Campbell. Lol

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" You're not laughing now are you". Nigel Farage 2016.

I started out in the same place you are now. The proof of that is written in text on this very website when Covid started.

The only difference seems to be that I noticed issues that you seem to take on trust and my view altered.

If I'm being facetious then show we where this has been admitted to within the mainstream and communicated to the general public.

What you are saying about the corruption within is true....it's true for all professions because...as you say human nature....However, what really matters how the system is set up to combat it...or set up to actually incentivize elements of it.

Truth always surfaces in the end? I use to say that kind of stuff as well...and I'd like to believe that eventually it does (because all power structures eventually change or fall) But hasn't the recent Alien stuff just shown that actually the truth can be hidden for many decades and that...in that case....it's in fact the crazies who are closer to that truth? The very people demonised actually were onto something and those criticising them were establishment nod or go alongs.

There was consensus over lockdowns....I'd say that consensus matters but that it can also be used negatively to stop all questioning, as we saw over covid. I'd agree that research and genuine independence matters. Unfortunately there seems to be far less money for that.

Also, what really matters is having someone who bears responsibility.....Someone willing to say the 'buck stops here'.

Without that, there is less scrutiny of those working under them and people will tell them what they want to hear rather than being honest.....this problem is as old as the hills.

It's a problem within power structures and never ends well.

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'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I'd pretty much agree with all of that.

I wouldn't call it world wide communism though rather global neo liberalism with the GAE (global American empire) being the largest influence at present (due to economics and military).

I don't believe that covid was deliberate but it's certainly being taken advantage of in the ways you state.....but that's opportunism because it's the way they were boiling the frog anyway.

These changes aren't for the benefit for the general public but rather for the benefit of the elites themselves. It's a process that's been happening since the gold standard fell....very slowly at first but since technology via computers enabled real time control systems the pace and infrastructure is growing exponentially. You are very deliberately being restricted in both your civil freedoms but also your economic. The direction of travel is for that to continue.

The western style social control system isn't a matter of 'if', but of 'when'.....We can only hope to delay it (Farage and the whole cash situation) and hope we can shape it into the least insidious version possible.

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'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

My view of COVID at the beginning is not the same as it is now, so I’d have to disagree there. People who think the same as they did in 2020 (on any topic) are simply not worth engaging in this sort of debate.

Show you where corruption within big pharma has been publicly discussed and highlighted in the mainstream? Where to start. Purdue, GSK, Astra, Pfizer… the list is endless.

The ‘Alien stuff’ line made me laugh. Nothing of any real note has come out of those hearings beyond people who were claiming fantastical explanations suddenly deciding to become cautious and failing to repeat the same claims when in the big boy arena. Funny that – it’s almost like they have a persona to build and an audience to monetise.
On that note, the whole thing is a massive distraction away from a much more credible and alarming theory which is, and a I quote from a great Thedrive article 'many of the events involving supposed UFOs, or unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP), as they are now often called, over the last decade are actually the manifestation of foreign adversaries harnessing advances in lower-end unmanned aerial vehicle technology, and even simpler platforms, to gather intelligence of extreme fidelity on some of America's most sensitive warfighting capabilities.’

If anyone thinks we’re being regularly visited by little green men I’m afraid that I have to side with Elon on that one.

"I’ve seen no evidence of aliens … I would immediately tweet it out. That’d be probably the top tweet of all time. ‘We found one, guys!’ It’s the jackpot with some 8 billion likes.”

We’re constantly trying to get the defense budget to expand. And look, you know what would really get no arguments for anyone? If we pulled out an alien and said we need money to protect ourselves from these guys.'

“‘How much money do you want? You got it. They look dangerous.’ So the fastest way to get a defense budget increase would be to pull out an alien.”

The crazies hypothesis plays well in movies. IRL, not so much.

Consensus should be an ever changing thing though. For some reason people constantly frame it as this static, immovable obelisk that never changes. Not the case. It did actually change (and is still changing) re. COVID. Similar to climate change. The consensus is not the same as 10 or even 5 years ago. Whether governments or the public can keep up (or want to keep up) with those changes is actually the issue.
Joe public probably stuck to the first few things they heard about COVID and then that was it. Too complex and fast moving to keep changing your view on something when you’ve only just got your head around it.

This is thankfully why only a very select group of people get to work in science.

Problem is, you can’t expect everyone to ether understand or keep up. Happens with everything TBH. Exhausting

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

More conspiracy theories? Posted for consideration only; I freely admit I don't properly understand much of this.

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The WEF proposed in the future that we will own nothing and be happy. So that is concern for private property.

These people talk about the world like it belongs to them. We never elected them. But they feel they are going to shape the world.

Many of today's leaders were trained by Klaus Swaub or whatever his name is.

So we have our own politicians parroting WEF talking points. Some of them contributers. Put it this way - some of them are very close to the WEF.

So when you elect your government. Bear in mind they will probably be pushing a WEF agenda before anything you want.

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" You're not laughing now are you". Nigel Farage 2016.