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Rudi Hedman Caterham 23 Feb 20 4.55pm | |
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Originally posted by Tickled pink
You write as if we were relegated two seasons ago from this league and are now falling into the third tier and oblivion. Whatever Parish does is to a large degree a gamble, look at West Ham and the games they have to play, awful situation bet they wish they had Mr Hodgson. I don’t remember Sakho or Benteke playing right back or left back where we’ve again taken chances with, or on the wing or behind the striker. And I don’t recall FDB or Hodgson ever playing football that suits Benteke who Parish bought a year before. It’s this sort of thing that puts us in these situations. Parish has obvious faults. Should have had someone qualified making football decisions. Not himself, Freedman or anyone else who protects his wages when he agrees with everything suggested.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 23 Feb 20 4.57pm | |
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Originally posted by Tickled pink
You write as if we were relegated two seasons ago from this league and are now falling into the third tier and oblivion. Whatever Parish does is to a large degree a gamble, look at West Ham and the games they have to play, awful situation bet they wish they had Mr Hodgson. I don’t remember Sakho or Benteke playing right back or left back where we’ve again taken chances with, or on the wing or behind the striker. And I don’t recall FDB or Hodgson ever playing football that suits Benteke who Parish bought a year before. It’s this sort of thing that puts us in these situations. Parish has obvious faults. Should have had someone qualified making football decisions. Not himself, Freedman or anyone else who protects his wages when he agrees with everything suggested.
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Eaglecoops CR3 23 Feb 20 5.12pm | |
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Originally posted by NEILLO
Football is a results business. Looking at our league position and points tally I think we are roughly around where we deserve to be from a performance and strength of squad perspective. In fact I think the manager deserves credit for getting us this far with the available resources . In terms of a transfer policy, I'm not seeing signs that there is one. The long ago stated aim of buying young players with potential and therefore a decent sell on value never materialised. Then came the expensive ( Benteke, Sakho ) purchases that have not delivered value for money although both felt right at the time. Succession planning for players is difficult given the average turnover of managers at most clubs, and succession planning for managers is virtually unheard of and subject to change. I bet City fans thought Arteta was a shoe in to replace Pep at some point. Younger players being fast tracked into the first team won't happen unless the Academy is invested in to make Palace more competitive for the talent that they are currently missing out on. So I get the investment in that, it needs to happen. To me it sounded like the stadium redevelopment hinges on doing a deal with Sainsburys ( that's assuming funding is available ). I would contend that the deal with them should have been agreed at least in principle before Parish revealed the plans for the new stand. It's difficult not to be cynical about Parish's interview given that it was conducted ' in house '. A more probing set of questions by an independent journalist may have teased more out of him. Yes l, I think I agree with everything you are saying here, but it all boils down to the fact that Parish really didn’t deal with the issues that are outstanding at our club in that interview. We are pottering along, we are not looking like a club that wants to dramatically improve.
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Midlands Eagle 23 Feb 20 5.46pm | |
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Originally posted by braunstoneagle
But is it being run in a sustainable manner? Our wage bill is far too high and if we are relegated then we are up s*** creek
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Jamesey Wandsworth 23 Feb 20 6.13pm | |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
But is it being run in a sustainable manner? Our wage bill is far too high and if we are relegated then we are up s*** creek Sustainable enough to keep us in the top tier for seven seasons so we haven’t been relegated and don’t look like like it again for now. So we won’t be up s—- creek but won’t win the league or play in Europe. What exactly do you expect?
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braunstoneagle the middle of bumf*** nowhere... 23 Feb 20 6.31pm | |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
But is it being run in a sustainable manner? Our wage bill is far too high and if we are relegated then we are up s*** creek any club that has spend a prolonged period of time in the PL is up s*** creek if relegated...you cant compete in this league on £30k a week salaries. in fact 50% of championship clubs are f***ed & havnt been promoted in years. we have no debt and on course for another mid-table finish...if thats not sustainable then i dont know what is...our wage bill is more or less comparable to where we finish most seasons. i bet if parish brought neymar & built a 50k stadium you would still moan about s*** hotdogs.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 23 Feb 20 6.39pm | |
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Originally posted by Jamesey
Sustainable enough to keep us in the top tier for seven seasons so we haven’t been relegated and don’t look like like it again for now. So we won’t be up s—- creek but won’t win the league or play in Europe. What exactly do you expect? It’s more the next season or two or three that is concerning everyone. After Roy had them take Newcastle on rather than do the same the situation this season has changed a bit. We really are in a lot of trouble if things aren’t handled properly, and that doesn’t mean spending as little as possible or trying to dictate to everyone how business is done, especially when we need the business to be done and they know it. I agree with Parish on the twitter morons but some of the stuff we were supposed to be won over by was jaw dropping. Part of me thinks that if he didn’t say anything then the flack would continue, but by saying what he did, which was in all intents and purposes nothing apart from regarding the academy, Parish may as well have just released a couple of statements on the academy and Roy’s contract and possibly a ‘reasonable offer’, whatever that means to Sainsbury’s after how many years is it since they released plans but didn’t speak to Sainsbury’s at the time. Hmmm. Now what would we be thinking here? Sounds like lloyds II and how we do transfer business (we don’t do). People were critical of handling of transfers, football strategy and things before Freedman came in and I don’t think we’ve seen much to convince us the Parish-Roy-Freedman relationship has improved things apart from Guaita and James McCarthy. The proof will be in the summer but it’s understandable we aren’t convinced we’re going about things in ways that will solve even more testing squad issues than we’ve had in recent memory, and with the comment the younger signings block academy players just takes the piss out of our intelligence tbh.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 23 Feb 20 6.47pm | |
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Originally posted by braunstoneagle
any club that has spend a prolonged period of time in the PL is up s*** creek if relegated...you cant compete in this league on £30k a week salaries. in fact 50% of championship clubs are f***ed & havnt been promoted in years. we have no debt and on course for another mid-table finish...if thats not sustainable then i dont know what is...our wage bill is more or less comparable to where we finish most seasons. i bet if parish brought neymar & built a 50k stadium you would still moan about s*** hotdogs. The classic, ‘well if it’s not £110k-130k per week it’s £30k. Nothing in between, that’ll negate your point. Our wage bill was 9th when our revenue must be about 14th. I don’t expect 9th, Europe £130k or £30k per week players. I expected when we hired a DOF he’d be experienced and the relationship between him, the manager and owners would be one in harmony. I’ve seen little to suggest it is other than a few players everybody knew were available plus Guaita. It’s this area we should be getting right. We aren’t, and I’m not confident we will when the need to get more of them done in Windows becomes greater and greater. They’ve sussed the market for stop gap older players, but that’s it.
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davehuggins 23 Feb 20 7.19pm | |
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Our recruitment IMO over the last few windows has been a complete shambles apart from a couple of good bits of biz. With huge amounts of money at stake for me this is the one area we must get right sooner rather than later!
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Midlands Eagle 23 Feb 20 7.49pm | |
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Originally posted by braunstoneagle
we have no debt and on course for another mid-table finish...if thats not sustainable then i dont know what is...our wage bill is more or less comparable to where we finish most seasons. i bet if parish brought neymar & built a 50k stadium you would still moan about s*** hotdogs. If we have no debt then it's because we needed to sell players to pay it off and I'm not sure you understand what sustainable means anyway. Your final paragraph is particularly stupid and I'll take your word for the state of the hotdogs as I don't eat that sort of crap and will happily bow to your greater experience of them
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 23 Feb 20 8.15pm | |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
If we have no debt then it's because we needed to sell players to pay it off and I'm not sure you understand what sustainable means anyway. Your final paragraph is particularly stupid and I'll take your word for the state of the hotdogs as I don't eat that sort of crap and will happily bow to your greater experience of them He nicked it off Jordan on the back of the advertiser. One of his panacea answers that say nothing and mean nothing.
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Jamesey Wandsworth 23 Feb 20 8.51pm | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
It’s more the next season or two or three that is concerning everyone. After Roy had them take Newcastle on rather than do the same the situation this season has changed a bit. We really are in a lot of trouble if things aren’t handled properly, and that doesn’t mean spending as little as possible or trying to dictate to everyone how business is done, especially when we need the business to be done and they know it. I agree with Parish on the twitter morons but some of the stuff we were supposed to be won over by was jaw dropping. Part of me thinks that if he didn’t say anything then the flack would continue, but by saying what he did, which was in all intents and purposes nothing apart from regarding the academy, Parish may as well have just released a couple of statements on the academy and Roy’s contract and possibly a ‘reasonable offer’, whatever that means to Sainsbury’s after how many years is it since they released plans but didn’t speak to Sainsbury’s at the time. Hmmm. Now what would we be thinking here? Sounds like lloyds II and how we do transfer business (we don’t do). People were critical of handling of transfers, football strategy and things before Freedman came in and I don’t think we’ve seen much to convince us the Parish-Roy-Freedman relationship has improved things apart from Guaita and James McCarthy. The proof will be in the summer but it’s understandable we aren’t convinced we’re going about things in ways that will solve even more testing squad issues than we’ve had in recent memory, and with the comment the younger signings block academy players just takes the piss out of our intelligence tbh. It's not concerning "everyone" that I have contact with...quite a few. Just you making sweeping statements.
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