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 bexleydave  Barnehurst 13 Feb 18 8.38am |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Stadium plans' by bexleydave Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
can i propose that 34 minutes into our next game against the Seaweed that we do one minutes applause. to mark our projected Stadium capacity of 34,000 which will put those scum back where they belong us....chasing after our carrion. Maybe we should wait until we have actually built the stand, and increased the capacity, before we start rubbing it in anyone's face. I'll believe it when I see it, rather like transfers, which I only believe have happened when I see the player, on the official site, holding up a shirt. It's also worth noting that Brighton are considering increasing their capacity as well, plus they have a whole new stadium, not one new stand plus three pigs with lipstick.
Bexley Dave Can you hear the Brighton sing? I can't hear a ******* thing! "The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum) |
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| dorking 13 Feb 18 12.50pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Stadium plans' by bexleydave I think Br*ghton would be very lucky if they were allowed to expand further, due to the proximity of the Green Belt, and surely the extra pressure on one tiny station and a concentrated bit of the road network. As for Palace's application, been looking at the geotechnical report, aside from all sorts of ground problems, the Holmesdale basement is apparently in 50mm of standing water (ie flooded), although this is not clear if it is down to underground water sources or just from other sources - for example it mentions water running down the walls!
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| TheBigToePunt 13 Feb 18 8.46pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Stadium plans' by bexleydave Originally posted by NICK THE EAGLE
Firstly a huge thank you for those explaining the details of this to us mere mortals. This may have already been asked somewhere back in the 100 pages or so, but what is the normal timeline between the application going in (which I understand it now has) to us actually breaking ground if successful? We'll, the club say that if planning permission is granted they will start this year and finish in three years from now. I'm sure that's feasible in terms of construction, but the unknown factor is how quickly, if at all, cpfc can agree a price for the land that sainsburys own. Edited by TheBigToePunt (13 Feb 2018 10.09pm)
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| dorking 13 Feb 18 9.21pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Stadium plans' by bexleydave The six new build replacement dwellings is going to slow things down too. The Planning Statement says:- "the club proposes to develop six family* residential units on another, yet to be identified site, for which a residential planning permission or allocation does not exist, or for which residential development would not otherwise have occurred" "The club will continue to work with the Council to reach an agreeable position, based on this approach, in advance of the targeted Planning Committee meeting on 19th April 2018" I think achieving that by 19th April is pretty ambitious. If it was that easy to build housing developments there wouldn't be a regional housing shortage! This I think will be the biggest brake on the project. With regard to the Sainsbury's price, they have named their price, so it is a bit like when Palace try and buy a new player, lots of haggling till the last minute, or for as long as Palace feel they can drag it out for! Palace will need a lot of co-operation with Sainsburys going forward as the club car park will have much less matchday spaces in future as most of the car park will be a 'fan plaza'. So any land deal with Sainsburys also needs to update the car parking arrangements for both car parks, which will be quite some haggle!
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 Hrolf The Ganger 13 Feb 18 10.50pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Stadium plans' by bexleydave Originally posted by dorking
The six new build replacement dwellings is going to slow things down too. The Planning Statement says:- "the club proposes to develop six family* residential units on another, yet to be identified site, for which a residential planning permission or allocation does not exist, or for which residential development would not otherwise have occurred" "The club will continue to work with the Council to reach an agreeable position, based on this approach, in advance of the targeted Planning Committee meeting on 19th April 2018" I think achieving that by 19th April is pretty ambitious. If it was that easy to build housing developments there wouldn't be a regional housing shortage! This I think will be the biggest brake on the project. With regard to the Sainsbury's price, they have named their price, so it is a bit like when Palace try and buy a new player, lots of haggling till the last minute, or for as long as Palace feel they can drag it out for! Palace will need a lot of co-operation with Sainsburys going forward as the club car park will have much less matchday spaces in future as most of the car park will be a 'fan plaza'. So any land deal with Sainsburys also needs to update the car parking arrangements for both car parks, which will be quite some haggle!
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| dorking 14 Feb 18 5.50am |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Stadium plans' by bexleydave That is exactly what Palace will do for the current tenants. The residents themselves will be rehoused very locally. However, once the residents are looked after, it is still also unacceptable to the Council to demolish 6 houses unless the 6 physical homes are replaced with 6 new build houses, because otherwise the Borough is 6 houses 'down'. So 6 new 'substitute' homes have to be built somewhere. They have to have this policy otherwise all sorts of development would take place across the Borough and the overall amount of housing stock would be depleted. Edited by dorking (14 Feb 2018 5.51am)
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| Tyrelli London 14 Feb 18 6.10am |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Stadium plans' by bexleydave Originally posted by dorking
That is exactly what Palace will do for the current tenants. The residents themselves will be rehoused very locally. However, once the residents are looked after, it is still also unacceptable to the Council to demolish 6 houses unless the 6 physical homes are replaced with 6 new build houses, because otherwise the Borough is 6 houses 'down'. So 6 new 'substitute' homes have to be built somewhere. They have to have this policy otherwise all sorts of development would take place across the Borough and the overall amount of housing stock would be depleted. Edited by dorking (14 Feb 2018 5.51am) Or a “compensation” package perhaps
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| Tyrelli London 14 Feb 18 6.12am |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Stadium plans' by bexleydave Originally posted by dorking
I think Br*ghton would be very lucky if they were allowed to expand further, due to the proximity of the Green Belt, and surely the extra pressure on one tiny station and a concentrated bit of the road network. As for Palace's application, been looking at the geotechnical report, aside from all sorts of ground problems, the Holmesdale basement is apparently in 50mm of standing water (ie flooded), although this is not clear if it is down to underground water sources or just from other sources - for example it mentions water running down the walls!
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| Aray South London 14 Feb 18 9.38am |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Stadium plans' by bexleydave Originally posted by dorking
That is exactly what Palace will do for the current tenants. The residents themselves will be rehoused very locally. However, once the residents are looked after, it is still also unacceptable to the Council to demolish 6 houses unless the 6 physical homes are replaced with 6 new build houses, because otherwise the Borough is 6 houses 'down'. So 6 new 'substitute' homes have to be built somewhere. They have to have this policy otherwise all sorts of development would take place across the Borough and the overall amount of housing stock would be depleted. Edited by dorking (14 Feb 2018 5.51am) Given we're rehousing the current residents, are the new houses the "price" the club has to pay? Couldn't the club buy 6 houses locally, place the new residents in them, and then handover the deeds to the council? That would leave the overall amount of council housing stock untouched.
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| Direwolf Lincoln 14 Feb 18 10.40am |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Stadium plans' by bexleydave Originally posted by Aray
Given we're rehousing the current residents, are the new houses the "price" the club has to pay? Couldn't the club buy 6 houses locally, place the new residents in them, and then handover the deeds to the council? That would leave the overall amount of council housing stock untouched. Given London house prices I would suspect that it is far cheaper to rebuild than try to buy six houses - especially given that these need to be family homes. There is a 3 bed terraced house going in Holmesdale Road at the moment for £435,000 and that's one of the lowest prices in the area - other's are up to £550,000. If you want four beds then scale it up more. So maybe £3 million at least to buy six properties and then they will all have to meet council standards for health and safety and such like. No doubt there would be all sorts of accessibility legislation to meet as well. I can't imagine a rebuild would be more expensive as it is far easier to build to meet current requirements? Any builder types who could advise?
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| Direwolf Lincoln 14 Feb 18 10.44am |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Stadium plans' by bexleydave I see that the club is now encouraging us to comment in support of the new stadium on the council website. I posted earlier in this thread that I tried this and I could not do so as the website restricts comment to people in certain categories. Being a Palace supporter is strangely not one of them! So unless you are a neighbour or member of the Residents Association I don't think that you can comment. Anyone else tried so far?
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| palace chick South Croydon 14 Feb 18 11.00am |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Stadium plans' by bexleydave Originally posted by Direwolf
I see that the club is now encouraging us to comment in support of the new stadium on the council website. I posted earlier in this thread that I tried this and I could not do so as the website restricts comment to people in certain categories. Being a Palace supporter is strangely not one of them! So unless you are a neighbour or member of the Residents Association I don't think that you can comment. Anyone else tried so far? Putting yourself down as neighbour either supporting or objecting will be fine - don’t get lost in a category not saying palace fan ;-)
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