Nothing to do with Brexit but the Plough used to be my "second" local. The first being the Harvest Home. This was 60 years ago though! It was always a Youngs pub and had a snooker table back then which we played on regularly. I played against a cocky young guy one night who said he was going to make it big in the music business. Said his name was Peter Sarstedt. Jeff Beck, who I went to school with, lived just up. the road.

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Do you understand the job of a MP?

It isn't to do what their constituents think is right, or what they want. It's to deliver what they themselves believe is in their constituents best interests. They do that as the professionals we employ them to be, with access to the time to study and information that we amateurs don't have.

Our job is to decide who we want to be our MPs. We do that at a GE and not every time there is an issue we might disagree with.

If our MPs decide that all the circumstances demand that we overturn Brexit then that isn't just their right, it's their duty.

Far too much weight is being put by Brexiteers on the result of the 2016 referendum and the commitment made to respect it. Nothing in politics, or life, is set in stone. Events change everything. The referendum was a flawed attempt to silence the Euro-sceptic right. It was interfered with by Russia, but still ended up a very close result. The outcome of the negotiations doesn't deliver what people expected. People now understand things much better than they did and can see what leaving the EU will mean. People are allowed to change their mind.

All of these things need to be weighed together and not simply shoved aside because you want one particular outcome. That includes the fact that we had a referendum but not that it can blank out all other considerations. That's what the MPs need to wrestle with on our behalf and we need to start being much firmer with the hardline "out at all costs" regressives who think they know better.

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Yes.

One more point

I will be very interested to learn what you believe the job of an MP is.

Please enlighten me as I think this is likely to be a fundamental misunderstanding of how British democracy operates but am always prepared to admit I am wrong.

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To represent.....not dictate as an 'expert' as you seem to think.....'experts' are frequently wrong themselves....we had the Euro and the exchange rate mechanism.... A democracy is not rule by 'expert'.

Your arguments are simply a pick and choose of which parts of the democratic process you like.

The PM of the time said the referendum would be observed and frankly Eagle that's that.

How clear can things be.

The parliament voted for the referendum.

The parliament voted to leave the EU.

No one is being forced. It's you who appear to constantly suggest that the parliament don't carry out their own will.....based upon your judgement and those who agree with you.

A recent ICM poll had 'no deal' as the most popular option.....and given how the EU have behaved that's to be expected.

Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Jan 2019 3.01pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

The call for a second referendum needs to be referred to as what it is:

A losers' vote.

There is no justification for it, and that nonsense of "you were lied to" "you're better informed now" is disingenuous to the point of being a case of when the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.

These remainder types banging that drum simply need to answer two questions:

1) Would I change my vote? (No)
2) Why then, do I expect that anyone else will?