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Stirlingsays Flag 27 May 24 4.57pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

Lefties hate the traditional nuclear family. Especially with the dad as the main breadwinner & a stay-at-home Mum.

Lefties like single parent families, artificial insemination for LGBTQ types, the Taxpayer as principal daddy to kids, and the newly coined 'blended family'.
Lefties love to champion the virtues of 'strong single mothers' even though all the statistical evidence points to them often being a total trainwreck. For just about EVERY measurable metric.


Edited by PalazioVecchio (27 May 2024 3.51pm)

Yep, but it goes along with the point I made the other day, they will ignore inconvenient realities where it interferes with their ideological goals....just as long as they aren't personally paying a price.

Anyone with more than two brain cells knows that a sensible political class should be highlighting the nuclear family as the best outcome for people...It's not possible for everyone but that doesn't change the reality that it's the ideal and that should be recognised and emphasized.

But that is no longer done due to the hyper individualism and dishonest egalitarianism that is embraced by both the left and centre...even in modern times by the mainstream Conservatives since Cameron.

In fact the only people who now point out the basic statistical truths....which have never changed are those they now call far right....which was all basic 101 conservativism when I was growing up.

It's lala land but it's actually serious because these are young impressionable lives being lied to by dysgenic activists with agendas or for convenience by older people who know better but go along to get along.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 May 2024 5.02pm)

 


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cryrst Flag The garden of England 27 May 24 5.16pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Actually I was just making a general point. Anyway you have my sympathies.

Ha ha I just saw it wasn’t you. I accept your sympathies about my reading skills

 

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silvertop Flag Portishead 27 May 24 7.57pm Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Good films, with the some relevance then as now.

Yes, those days were certainly heady compared to now....though they were storing up problems for later (wars, globalism, housing, immigration, free speech restrictions).

Still, when it comes to being rational the Blairites....who as we know were centralists certainly beat the last 14 years.

The Tories couldn't even boss the civil service around, who had so much power they could get rid of ministers.

I also agree that....while I won't punch right...that my fellow brethren of the Hol right certainly have far more patience with this non conservative Tory party than I ever could.

It probably comes from a place of 'house price' conservativism and voting for the least worst option.....but to me at least it's far more a uniparty than anything else. Everything they fear is coming regardless of whether it looks blue or red.

At the moment I don't really have anyone to vote for.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 May 2024 7.03pm)

The phrase doings the rounds right now is two cheeks from the same ar*e.

Apposite.

 

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Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 27 May 24 10.28pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

If history has taught us anything it's that proper left wing ideology.....being based upon positive law instead of natural law ultimately falls apart when the wheels hit the road and it actually begins to shape a society.

It always fools the young with false idealistic promises but always ends up getting voted out as it actually ends up making them poorer.

Well, history shows that it gets voted out until it makes voting it out pretty difficult with rule changes.

Edited by Stirlingsays (26 May 2024 4.44pm)

I would suggest this is much of the issue we see in our politics today.

I'm very much of the impression that those vying for power will exploit any means to achieve their ends and this of course pertains to both the dominant red and blue parties in this country. Shock horror. I can never understand contemporary political debate which is based upon the bizarre notion that any given politician/party is somehow adherent to a principled, practical, solutions-based ideal for running this country.

There is enough logic for me in suggesting that the rise of technology and it's inevitable, ubiquitous usage by the young has seen focus shift toward the nonsensical, identity based politics so prevalent today and the focus upon/commitment to this by political parties. Naturally, you also want to demonise those who fail to jump aboard (so label them 'far-right').

All of a sudden being able to cling to child-like fantasy of 'you can be whatever you want to be' and celebrating spiritual/identity crisis is of higher focus than the economic and social wellbeing of the country. Of course reality will have to kick in for many before the pendulum swings again, it seems to have started in Europe. I just hope the aforementioned pendulum does not swing too far to the right upon its return.

silvertop's 'two cheeks of the same a**e' seems appropriate to me, or 'apposite' as he said (I had to google that first though, unfamiliar word for me!). They're both just trying to exploit the current zeitgeist. I genuinely have sympathy albeit no time for those who invest in any of them, believing there is substance or any evidence for doing so.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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Stirlingsays Flag 27 May 24 10.54pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

I would suggest this is much of the issue we see in our politics today.

I'm very much of the impression that those vying for power will exploit any means to achieve their ends and this of course pertains to both the dominant red and blue parties in this country. Shock horror. I can never understand contemporary political debate which is based upon the bizarre notion that any given politician/party is somehow adherent to a principled, practical, solutions-based ideal for running this country.

There is enough logic for me in suggesting that the rise of technology and it's inevitable, ubiquitous usage by the young has seen focus shift toward the nonsensical, identity based politics so prevalent today and the focus upon/commitment to this by political parties. Naturally, you also want to demonise those who fail to jump aboard (so label them 'far-right').

All of a sudden being able to cling to child-like fantasy of 'you can be whatever you want to be' and celebrating spiritual/identity crisis is of higher focus than the economic and social wellbeing of the country. Of course reality will have to kick in for many before the pendulum swings again, it seems to have started in Europe. I just hope the aforementioned pendulum does not swing too far to the right upon its return.

silvertop's 'two cheeks of the same a**e' seems appropriate to me, or 'apposite' as he said (I had to google that first though, unfamiliar word for me!). They're both just trying to exploit the current zeitgeist. I genuinely have sympathy albeit no time for those who invest in any of them, believing there is substance or any evidence for doing so.

It would be nice to actually have a 'far right' option to vote for in this country like they do in France and Italy....and Germany (though the German government are using dirty tricks against them). They dox their members and 'activists' hassle companies to sack them making employment difficult and hence scaring people away.....this stops these parties growing into a mainstream as in other European countries.....It's not because a groundswell isn't there but because the establishment is politically opposed to allowing a far right option to exist (which is frankly non democratic but there you go)....I have my own views as to some of that motivation that I'll keep to myself.

Most people don't know is that our own governments in the UK have made it difficult for an actual far right party to exist and compete for votes.

For a start they don't know that the electoral commission make them sign up to socially liberal terms to exist as a party, when they aren't social liberals. The establishment feed mainstream media with stories to attack them. As I say they use the legal system to hassle them and security services or fund activists to infiltrate/dox them and pressure their employers to fire them (which most do, again due to fear of the legal situation). So it's dirty tricks all the way down and it's deliberate....Hope Not Hate for example do a lot of this and are taxpayer funded and have worked with the BBC.

It's one of the major reasons why you don't actually have that 'far right' option in this country now despite immigration and social cohesion having worsened significantly more....You use to have the BNP but the forementioned tactics got rid of them.

We don't live in a democracy we live in a neodemocracy that seems to become more centrally controlled and authoritarian each year.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 May 2024 11.15pm)

 


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Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 27 May 24 11.04pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

It would be nice to actually have a 'far right' option to vote for in this country like they do in France and Italy....and Germany (though the German government are using dirty tricks against them).

However, what most people don't know is that our own governments in the UK have made it very difficult for an actual far right party to exist and compete for votes.

For a start they make them sign up to socially liberal terms to exist as a party, when they aren't social liberals. They use the legal system to hassle them and security services to infiltrate and do their dirty tricks.

It's one of the major reasons why you don't actually have that 'far right' option in this country now despite immigration and social cohesion having worsened significantly more....You use to have the BNP but the forementioned tactics got rid of them.

We don't live in a democracy we live in a neodemocracy that seems to become more centrally controlled and authoritarian each year.

I am very much a subscriber of modern democracy being an illusion Stirling.

I previously exercised any supposed democratic option I had by voting for individuals based purely on their name, such was my lack of belief in it's value. There was one fella in my particular part of Lewisham who I'm guessing was Sri Lankan and had about 17 letters in his surname. Voted for him several times but couldn't tell you who/what he represented.

I haven't even bothered with that for a while.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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Stirlingsays Flag 27 May 24 11.09pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

I am very much a subscriber of modern democracy being an illusion Stirling.

I previously exercised any supposed democratic option I had by voting for individuals based purely on their name, such was my lack of belief in it's value. There was one fella in my particular part of Lewisham who I'm guessing was Sri Lankan and had about 17 letters in his surname. Voted for him several times but couldn't tell you who/what he represented.

I haven't even bothered with that for a while.

I make you right.

Waste of time really.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 27 May 24 11.21pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Yep you have the Communist party in this country operating with no restrictions or attacks from the establishment at all. Indeed many Labour MPs have given speeches over many decades at its well funded headquarters right bang in establishment London.

Communist regimes killed many many millions yet because the mainstream is essentially left wing they view them as far more acceptable than the far right.

You had Momentum operating as a legitimate part of Labour. Members appearing frequently on mainstream political programmes.

Yet milk toast Nigel Farage gets called a Nazi......Well, the actual far right aren't that fond of Farage because he wouldn't let them join his parties.

All a bit of a joke really.

 


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silvertop Flag Portishead 28 May 24 8.34am Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yep you have the Communist party in this country operating with no restrictions or attacks from the establishment at all. Indeed many Labour MPs have given speeches over many decades at its well funded headquarters right bang in establishment London.

Communist regimes killed many many millions yet because the mainstream is essentially left wing they view them as far more acceptable than the far right.

You had Momentum operating as a legitimate part of Labour. Members appearing frequently on mainstream political programmes.

Yet milk toast Nigel Farage gets called a Nazi......Well, the actual far right aren't that fond of Farage because he wouldn't let them join his parties.

All a bit of a joke really.

The great irony being that communism is not just socialism. It is imposed socialism through revolution. The downtrodden poor rising to replace the wealthy elite. What greater threat to those in power? The reason our security forces devoted most of its resources to oppress the left for decades.

Now, the worst you are going to get out of the commies is tepid tea and a stale biscuit.

The far right are now a greater risk as they are more likely to antagonise the vast, hyper sensitive and very excitable minorities. I suspect the security forces devote resources to the far right as a means of containing those destructive emotional forces.

I also suspect that these resources dwarf beside those watching China or Russia or Jihad at home with one small office still tasked with keeping a quiet eye on those nicotine stained throwbacks who still cling desperately to the dream of the International.

 

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HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 28 May 24 9.48am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Fred Kite will never die or fade away

" All them cornfields and ballet in the evening "

 


Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 28 May 24 10.00am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

I see no harm in having a few Communists in Parliament

Edited by HKOwen (28 May 2024 10.02am)

 


Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 28 May 24 2.16pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

I voted for a guy who did headstands into a bucket of ice in the street. Ice Man - he showed dedication and determination. He lost his deposit.

 


Red and Blue Army!

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