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 Teddy Eagle  29 Oct 22 10.54am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Whataboutism won't solve our problems will it? In fact, who knows? It would certainly reduce wage inflation and ensure labour was available to fill vacancies. It's not whataboutism - it's a fact.
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Spiderman  Horsham 30 Oct 22 8.54am |
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Bloody Brexit!
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| Badger11 Beckenham 30 Oct 22 9.24am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Whataboutism won't solve our problems will it? In fact, who knows? It would certainly reduce wage inflation and ensure labour was available to fill vacancies. Large scale immigration of young uneducated migrants cannot be good for the economy. As well as depressing wages these people will start families and need housing health and education for their kids. Then there are the benefits they claim. The Tories talked about banning immigrants from claiming benefits for 5 years I don't know if they ever did or if that was all talk. As far as I am concerned if employers want to offer migrants McJobs then they can pay for their housing and health and education as well. Controlled migration aimed at qualified people who can fill temporary gaps in our job market is fine. So far the Tories have completely failed to control immigration.
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ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 30 Oct 22 10.39am |
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That's across the whole of Europe more or less. People have been squeezed for a long time and now being squeezed more. My friend in France told me she got petrol for the first time in two weeks the other day.
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cryrst  The garden of England 30 Oct 22 1.16pm |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
That's across the whole of Europe more or less. People have been squeezed for a long time and now being squeezed more. My friend in France told me she got petrol for the first time in two weeks the other day. Some on here won’t mind that as long as we are back in the good old EU getting bum f***ed for every penny and being subservient dicks. One of them gets his fuel payed for by passengers at an exorbitant rate and the other might not be driving far anytime, if at all. Why would they care?
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 30 Oct 22 3.04pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
I see those are estimates the government figures about residence are actual. It may well be that the number of new migrants from the EU is coming down but the numbers of 3.5m to 5m shows there was no mass flight. COVID was also a factor with many countries closing or threatening to close their borders it was no surprise that some migrants chose to go home and sit it out. Bottom line this government has still failed to get control of migration legal and illegal and business is still whining about wanting cheap labour rather than investing in their own businesses. Edited by Badger11 (29 Oct 2022 9.47am) Covid is certainly a factor which obscures clarity, so we must wait awhile to make a definitive judgement. I can only comment on what I observe myself, and that is a significant increase in the numbers of immigrants from Africa and Asia locally since Brexit. Businesses don't want "cheap" labour. Right now they just need labour, for without it they will die.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 30 Oct 22 3.13pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
It's not whataboutism - it's a fact. What happens in France is 100% whataboutism! No-one is "exploiting" immigrant labour when it isn't available locally and it must be found to ensure your business survives. Finding ways to increase the local pool from those who are better off not working at all, is something I would support 100%, but that needs time, investment, supervision and significant planning. It won't happen overnight and cannot solve today's problems.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 30 Oct 22 3.31pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Large scale immigration of young uneducated migrants cannot be good for the economy. As well as depressing wages these people will start families and need housing health and education for their kids. Then there are the benefits they claim. The Tories talked about banning immigrants from claiming benefits for 5 years I don't know if they ever did or if that was all talk. As far as I am concerned if employers want to offer migrants McJobs then they can pay for their housing and health and education as well. Controlled migration aimed at qualified people who can fill temporary gaps in our job market is fine. So far the Tories have completely failed to control immigration. I am not so sure the evidence actually bears that out. Young, uneducated migrants determined to make a better life for themselves are prepared to suffer much more hardship and work harder than some of our own young people, who have grown up expecting to be given things. Sure, they need housing, and their children need education, but so does everyone who contributes to our economy.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 30 Oct 22 3.33pm |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
That's across the whole of Europe more or less. People have been squeezed for a long time and now being squeezed more. My friend in France told me she got petrol for the first time in two weeks the other day. At least they haven't got the stupidity of Truss, and Brexit, making things even more complicated!
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 30 Oct 22 4.04pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Some on here won’t mind that as long as we are back in the good old EU getting bum f***ed for every penny and being subservient dicks. One of them gets his fuel payed for by passengers at an exorbitant rate and the other might not be driving far anytime, if at all. Why would they care? Who wants to be "subservient? I want us to have a seat at the table, and a voice, that allows us to participate in decision making, rather than just be affected by them. Fuel is part of many businesses costs, and has to be passed on. How far anyone drives is a personal choice, but those with limited public transport options often face limited choices.
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| cryrst The garden of England 30 Oct 22 4.35pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Who wants to be "subservient? I want us to have a seat at the table, and a voice, that allows us to participate in decision making, rather than just be affected by them. Fuel is part of many businesses costs, and has to be passed on. How far anyone drives is a personal choice, but those with limited public transport options often face limited choices. The uk has always been looked down on so maybe now with our dough missing it may be proving that we should have had a better seat at the table. Until the EU can offer that seat they can do one imho.
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| Teddy Eagle 30 Oct 22 4.57pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
What happens in France is 100% whataboutism! No-one is "exploiting" immigrant labour when it isn't available locally and it must be found to ensure your business survives. Finding ways to increase the local pool from those who are better off not working at all, is something I would support 100%, but that needs time, investment, supervision and significant planning. It won't happen overnight and cannot solve today's problems. It's a comparison with a nearby country who are still members of the EU. What you're advocating here is the same sort of slave labour market criticised in other countries.
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