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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 15 Jul 19 8.53am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

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Originally posted by ChrisGC

You continue to ignore the link.

That's up to you. There's pages and pages of your bizarre beliefs on here which I, and others, find deeply worrying. SS found some of your more shifty posts where the clear inference was that you supported not arresting child molesters, and that you actually knew about it yourself and turned a blind eye. Sickening.


The posts that he found did no such thing. They simply tried to find alternative reasons, to those being posted by others, as to why the early stages of the investigations were not given widespread publicity. I never expressed any opinion on whether I approved of such actions, nor would I without knowing whether they were true.

To suggest this amounts to me supporting not arresting child molesters is a ridiculous distortion of the truth and a deliberate slur on my integrity. That you, and others, do this so often here is either down to complete ignorance or some kind of vendetta because I post alternative opinions. It seems to me that you cannot cope with alternative views without resorting to insulting the poster rather than dealing with the idea.

Now that is what is truly sickening.

That I was aware of some of these things in the past doesn't mean anything because I was also aware that the Police were involved. I had nothing of any substance to offer them that they didn't already know. It was all circumstantial, without detail and passed to me by family members. Turning a blind eye was not involved in any way. It did make the local paper then but after that I lost touch because I moved elsewhere.

 


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ChrisGC Flag Wantage 15 Jul 19 9.18am

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle


The posts that he found did no such thing. They simply tried to find alternative reasons, to those being posted by others, as to why the early stages of the investigations were not given widespread publicity. I never expressed any opinion on whether I approved of such actions, nor would I without knowing whether they were true.

To suggest this amounts to me supporting not arresting child molesters is a ridiculous distortion of the truth and a deliberate slur on my integrity. That you, and others, do this so often here is either down to complete ignorance or some kind of vendetta because I post alternative opinions. It seems to me that you cannot cope with alternative views without resorting to insulting the poster rather than dealing with the idea.

Now that is what is truly sickening.

That I was aware of some of these things in the past doesn't mean anything because I was also aware that the Police were involved. I had nothing of any substance to offer them that they didn't already know. It was all circumstantial, without detail and passed to me by family members. Turning a blind eye was not involved in any way. It did make the local paper then but after that I lost touch because I moved elsewhere.

You keep telling yourself that mate, whatever helps you sleep at night.

You might be entirely sincere, rather than giving the usual faux outrage I don't know. I haven't insulted you, I'm just saying how it comes across. To echo SS: a bit iffy. And I think he was being courteous!

It's hard to give the benefit of the doubt with your constant denial that all these offenders are Muslim and that it just might be a factor, but I'll give it a go.

Edited by ChrisGC (15 Jul 2019 9.20am)

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 15 Jul 19 9.35am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

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Originally posted by ChrisGC

You keep telling yourself that mate, whatever helps you sleep at night.

You might be entirely sincere, rather than giving the usual faux outrage I don't know. I haven't insulted you, I'm just saying how it comes across. To echo SS: a bit iffy. And I think he was being courteous!

It's hard to give the benefit of the doubt with your constant denial that all these offenders are Muslim and that it just might be a factor, but I'll give it a go.

Edited by ChrisGC (15 Jul 2019 9.20am)

Where have I ever denied that the offenders are Muslim?

All I have ever argued is they are judged by their behaviour as individuals and not by anything else, including which religion they happen to be associated with. There are many different sects and interpretations within every religion.

The Westboro Church and the Salvation Army are both Christian.

I hope you now understand, but somehow I doubt it. You could always surprise me though.

 


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cryrst Flag The garden of England 15 Jul 19 9.39am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Where have I ever denied that the offenders are Muslim?

All I have ever argued is they are judged by their behaviour as individuals and not by anything else, including which religion they happen to be associated with. There are many different sects and interpretations within every religion.

The Westboro Church and the Salvation Army are both Christian.

I hope you now understand, but somehow I doubt it. You could always surprise me though.

You havent categorically noticed a link though which is strange considering in these grooming case a huge % are.

 

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Mapletree Flag Croydon 15 Jul 19 9.46am Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle


The posts that he found did no such thing. They simply tried to find alternative reasons, to those being posted by others, as to why the early stages of the investigations were not given widespread publicity. I never expressed any opinion on whether I approved of such actions, nor would I without knowing whether they were true.

To suggest this amounts to me supporting not arresting child molesters is a ridiculous distortion of the truth and a deliberate slur on my integrity. That you, and others, do this so often here is either down to complete ignorance or some kind of vendetta because I post alternative opinions. It seems to me that you cannot cope with alternative views without resorting to insulting the poster rather than dealing with the idea.

Now that is what is truly sickening.

That I was aware of some of these things in the past doesn't mean anything because I was also aware that the Police were involved. I had nothing of any substance to offer them that they didn't already know. It was all circumstantial, without detail and passed to me by family members. Turning a blind eye was not involved in any way. It did make the local paper then but after that I lost touch because I moved elsewhere.

Hmmm

Hunting in packs. Tick
Wilfully misrepresenting posts. Tick
Bullying to the point of pushing people off the forum. Tick

That will be the HOL for you then. Mind you, people on here have said that of the BBS, maybe all forums are the same.

 

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Mapletree Flag Croydon 15 Jul 19 9.49am Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

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Originally posted by cryrst

You havent categorically noticed a link though which is strange considering in these grooming case a huge % are.

Read Jimenez's post above

''The Office of the Children's Commissioner (OCC) conducted an inquiry into child sexual exploitation in gangs and groups in England, which gives some detail on the ethnicity of perpetrators and victims.

We've summarised the findings of the OCC inquiry below, but there are a few caveats to bear in mind. In its interim report it noted a number of issues with recording practices:

...during site visits it was apparent that agencies frequently focused on the model of sexual exploitation identified in high profile cases such as those in Derby and Rochdale. Perpetrators, like victims, had similar individual characteristics to those featured in those cases. As a result this was the specific pattern of abuse professionals looked out for. They often told the panel that the perpetrator groups were 'Asian' without a more detailed analysis, including whether this label referred to nationality or ethnicity. The Inquiry was informed in several site visits of groups of perpetrators who were described generically as 'Asian' but who, upon further investigation, turned out to include Afghan, Kurdish and White British perpetrators.

The report also identified similar tendencies when profiling victims, with professionals sometimes mistakenly characterising them as being predominantly white even when this wasn't the case.

There's also evidence to suggest that the data is skewed by a tendency of authorities to record the ethnicity of some groups more often than others - the OCC report also said that "it is evident that data are more proactively gathered on men and boys of pakistani and Kurdish origin".

And the recorded crimes might not reflect the nature of all the crimes that take place. As part of its research the OCC interviewed children and young people whose abusers had generally never been charged. It found what it called a "significant gap" between their experiences and recorded data.

That applies equally to details about the victims themselves - there's some reason to suspect that children from minority ethnic backgrounds might be less likely to report abuse than White British children. This was a concern raised in the Rotherham report, which recommended greater engagement with pakistani communities to help encourage victims to come forward.

Where records exist, between a quarter and half of groups of abusers are Asian''

 

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cryrst Flag The garden of England 15 Jul 19 10.20am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

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Originally posted by Mapletree

Read Jimenez's post above

''The Office of the Children's Commissioner (OCC) conducted an inquiry into child sexual exploitation in gangs and groups in England, which gives some detail on the ethnicity of perpetrators and victims.

We've summarised the findings of the OCC inquiry below, but there are a few caveats to bear in mind. In its interim report it noted a number of issues with recording practices:

...during site visits it was apparent that agencies frequently focused on the model of sexual exploitation identified in high profile cases such as those in Derby and Rochdale. Perpetrators, like victims, had similar individual characteristics to those featured in those cases. As a result this was the specific pattern of abuse professionals looked out for. They often told the panel that the perpetrator groups were 'Asian' without a more detailed analysis, including whether this label referred to nationality or ethnicity. The Inquiry was informed in several site visits of groups of perpetrators who were described generically as 'Asian' but who, upon further investigation, turned out to include Afghan, Kurdish and White British perpetrators.

The report also identified similar tendencies when profiling victims, with professionals sometimes mistakenly characterising them as being predominantly white even when this wasn't the case.

There's also evidence to suggest that the data is skewed by a tendency of authorities to record the ethnicity of some groups more often than others - the OCC report also said that "it is evident that data are more proactively gathered on men and boys of pakistani and Kurdish origin".

And the recorded crimes might not reflect the nature of all the crimes that take place. As part of its research the OCC interviewed children and young people whose abusers had generally never been charged. It found what it called a "significant gap" between their experiences and recorded data.

That applies equally to details about the victims themselves - there's some reason to suspect that children from minority ethnic backgrounds might be less likely to report abuse than White British children. This was a concern raised in the Rotherham report, which recommended greater engagement with pakistani communities to help encourage victims to come forward.

Where records exist, between a quarter and half of groups of abusers are Asian''

So mostly Muslim then.
How can they throw the 'less likely to report it'
Line in there.
They dont know but what is missing is the fact that families who tried reporting about their own kids were threatened with arrest for racism.
This is an interim report.
Labour was going to walk the last election: which was an interim prediction.
Just goes to show really doesnt it!

 

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Mapletree Flag Croydon 15 Jul 19 10.29am Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

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Originally posted by cryrst

So mostly Muslim then.
How can they throw the 'less likely to report it'
Line in there.
They dont know but what is missing is the fact that families who tried reporting about their own kids were threatened with arrest for racism.
This is an interim report.
Labour was going to walk the last election: which was an interim prediction.
Just goes to show really doesnt it!

We don't know that. Possibly. Possibly the highest propensity comes from people of pakistani heritage. But first, read Jimenez's post. There may be a problem with pakistanis that is entirely unconnected to their likely religion. Second, there is clearly no requirement for someone to be Muslim to be involved in the grooming gangs.

'Just goes to show' is merely your lazy reductionist take. I assume you never interact with pakistanis because they are all rapey and they may start on you.

 

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Teddy Eagle Flag 15 Jul 19 10.34am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Describe by whom?

The Court or the Judge?

Or by outside observers like you?

Arrest reports, court records, crime statistics, nationally quoted statistics. So, no, not just outside observers.

 

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

And I have already referred you to a well argued article, drawing on facts and not assumptions, that totally discredits your assertions. It's you who believes the propaganda from the doom mongers .

Throughout our history we have absorbed inflows of migrants. I have French blood in me that I know of but I suspect that all of us could find much more than that. That doesn't stop us being British and during my lifetime I have witnessed several large scale flows whose second and third generations are often more British than my own offspring feel they are. (mine feel European).

There is no logical reason to suppose it won't happen again. My mother was staunchly racist and hated black people appearing in our neighbourhood. Those attitudes have largely gone but they obviously still exist in pockets.

Again. deluded.

How many times will people like you use this argument?

The Norman French, who were largely descended from Norsemen, invaded Britain in tiny numbers and replaced our ruling class thus making Britain a different place for all who lived here.

There have been Huguenots and various other French comings and goings as there have been with other groups but none of them get anywhere close to the vast migration numbers we are experiencing now. Even so, they have still left a lasting mark on our culture.

Back in history, given the much smaller existing population, Northern European tribes completely changed the culture and genetic landscape of Britain with their arrival, and before them, the 'Beaker People' did the same to the existing post Ice age Britons.

To summarise, Our culture, rulers and genetic heritage has been altered irreversibly on a number of occasions.

With the numbers arriving and breeding here now, the current British identity, culture, and race will be erased and replaced in a few hundred years.

It's simply about numbers.

 

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ChrisGC Flag Wantage 15 Jul 19 10.52am

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Originally posted by Mapletree

Hmmm

Hunting in packs. Tick
Wilfully misrepresenting posts. Tick
Bullying to the point of pushing people off the forum. Tick

That will be the HOL for you then. Mind you, people on here have said that of the BBS, maybe all forums are the same.


Look out, here's white knight Maple riding in to defend the undefendable again.

With his shield of virtue and arsenal of ways to not-so-subtly appeal to the mods to start banging out yellows again.

You know he's contrary to the point of defending peados, everyone can see it; hardly bullying calling him on it.

 

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cryrst Flag The garden of England 15 Jul 19 11.32am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

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Originally posted by Mapletree

We don't know that. Possibly. Possibly the highest propensity comes from people of pakistani heritage. But first, read Jimenez's post. There may be a problem with pakistanis that is entirely unconnected to their likely religion. Second, there is clearly no requirement for someone to be Muslim to be involved in the grooming gangs.

'Just goes to show' is merely your lazy reductionist take. I assume you never interact with pakistanis because they are all rapey and they may start on you.

Oh come on maple.
You do get the point.
These gangs havent all been found yet.
Probably just today some white little bitch is getting pissed and abused.
It is an interim report.
If the end is ever reached the full report will no doubt be a little less shall we say; or I would hope, defensive of a certain demographic.

 

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