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Hoof Hearted 30 Nov 14 10.34am
Quote The White Horse at 30 Nov 2014 9.35am Quote Hoof Hearted at 29 Nov 2014 11.13am That's not surprising though is it nick? People outside of the affected areas being frightened of their areas being swamped by immigrants and voting for UKIP. But surely the people who actually live in the areas that have been "swamped" should be more bothered? Is it not pretty odd that those who care about immigration most are those who have witnessed the lowest levels of it (according to the Telegraph's graphic). Quote Hoof Hearted at 29 Nov 2014 11.13am Places like Boston where the white indigenous population live cheek by jowl with foreign workers that pick crops and because of the sheer volume of people now living there cannot get to a GP for weeks, or get their children in a local school. People keep banging on about the economic benefits of immigrants, but if you live in Boston, Bradford, Bristol, Birmingham, etc., you are more aware/affected by the consequences of a sudden dumping of foreign people in your locality and the problems it creates. The UK is a finite land mass and at what stage do we call time on allowing hordes of people to settle here? Isn't the above largely contradicted by the Telegraph's graphic? Bradford West had a by-election a couple of years ago, UKIP came 5th (behind the Lib Dems) with 3.3% of the vote. Bristol has 2 Labour MPs doesn't it? And aren't the Greens getting just as much traction as UKIP there? Point 1 - I would imagine that a lot of the white people are fed up with politicians letting them down and don't bother to vote in those areas. Point 2 - A couple of years is a very long time in politics and UKIP are getting a lot more traction than every other party (except the SNP) now. I imagine Bradford West is largely filled with Indian/pakistani/Bangladesh people, and I know for a fact Bristol East is, so no surprise on a Labour councillor being voted in. The main point I was trying to make (probably badly!) was that the rise in UKIP voters is more to do with personal hardships caused by overcrowding rather than a view on whether immigrants are good for the economy or are not entitled to benefits, ie our infrastructure is struggling to cope. The fact raised about only 7% of our land mass is built on is largely irrelevant. A lot of the alleged remaining 93% of land mass would be uninhabitable or prime farmland.
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Hoof Hearted 30 Nov 14 10.34am

Quote The White Horse at 30 Nov 2014 9.35am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 29 Nov 2014 11.13am

That's not surprising though is it nick?

People outside of the affected areas being frightened of their areas being swamped by immigrants and voting for UKIP.

But surely the people who actually live in the areas that have been "swamped" should be more bothered? Is it not pretty odd that those who care about immigration most are those who have witnessed the lowest levels of it (according to the Telegraph's graphic).

Quote Hoof Hearted at 29 Nov 2014 11.13am

Places like Boston where the white indigenous population live cheek by jowl with foreign workers that pick crops and because of the sheer volume of people now living there cannot get to a GP for weeks, or get their children in a local school.

People keep banging on about the economic benefits of immigrants, but if you live in Boston, Bradford, Bristol, Birmingham, etc., you are more aware/affected by the consequences of a sudden dumping of foreign people in your locality and the problems it creates.

The UK is a finite land mass and at what stage do we call time on allowing hordes of people to settle here?

Isn't the above largely contradicted by the Telegraph's graphic? Bradford West had a by-election a couple of years ago, UKIP came 5th (behind the Lib Dems) with 3.3% of the vote. Bristol has 2 Labour MPs doesn't it? And aren't the Greens getting just as much traction as UKIP there?

Point 1 - I would imagine that a lot of the white people are fed up with politicians letting them down and don't bother to vote in those areas.

Point 2 - A couple of years is a very long time in politics and UKIP are getting a lot more traction than every other party (except the SNP) now.

I imagine Bradford West is largely filled with Indian/pakistani/Bangladesh people, and I know for a fact Bristol East is, so no surprise on a Labour councillor being voted in.

The main point I was trying to make (probably badly!) was that the rise in UKIP voters is more to do with personal hardships caused by overcrowding rather than a view on whether immigrants are good for the economy or are not entitled to benefits, ie our infrastructure is struggling to cope.

The fact raised about only 7% of our land mass is built on is largely irrelevant. A lot of the alleged remaining 93% of land mass would be uninhabitable or prime farmland.

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matt_himself Matataland 30 Nov 14 10.50am
Quote The White Horse at 30 Nov 2014 10.33am Quote matt_himself at 30 Nov 2014 9.52am Quote Kermit8 at 30 Nov 2014 9.05am If Nick Griffin is voting for UKIP then others like him will be to. UKIP will be a Trojan horse for the far right if they have the brains and can seize the obvious opportunity that is, and will continue to be, presented to them over the next few years. Bedfellows. Of course, dear. Who do you think is responsible for the total collapse of the BNP vote? Do you think the Tories have now got their votes? Have the Greens picked them up through their anti-fracking campaigns? I'm not sure I'd draw too many conclusions from the fact BNP supporters are now supporting UKIP, but I think it's pretty difficult to deny that's obviously where their vote has gone. You can speculate as you and the rest of lefty eye swivellers will, in a vain hope to stem the tide of UKIP. I find it amusing that the left whip up a paranoid hyperbole about 'entryism' from (Kermits favourite term) "Right Wing Extremists" and yet pointedly fail to sort out their own house, and by that I mean the lunatics in he left preaching understanding of the ideals of the "progressive" ISIS and urging us all to allow Muslim Extremists to brain wash kids in free schools, send young men and women to their deaths in Syria and fund those seeking a caliphate. Every hue of politics is susceptible to extremism but you and your like are fundamentally misunderstanding and using misleading language, to state that UKIP will become a haven for the BNP. It won't because of the fundamental controls over members and the screening of members and candidates it's undertakes and the fundamental issue that the far right, like he far left, is just too far splintered and prone to in fighting to launch any type of credible and effective take over of any mainstream political party. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 30 Nov 14 10.50am

Quote The White Horse at 30 Nov 2014 10.33am

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Quote Kermit8 at 30 Nov 2014 9.05am

If Nick Griffin is voting for UKIP then others like him will be to.

UKIP will be a Trojan horse for the far right if they have the brains and can seize the obvious opportunity that is, and will continue to be, presented to them over the next few years.

Bedfellows.

Of course, dear.

Who do you think is responsible for the total collapse of the BNP vote? Do you think the Tories have now got their votes? Have the Greens picked them up through their anti-fracking campaigns?

I'm not sure I'd draw too many conclusions from the fact BNP supporters are now supporting UKIP, but I think it's pretty difficult to deny that's obviously where their vote has gone.

You can speculate as you and the rest of lefty eye swivellers will, in a vain hope to stem the tide of UKIP.

I find it amusing that the left whip up a paranoid hyperbole about 'entryism' from (Kermits favourite term) "Right Wing Extremists" and yet pointedly fail to sort out their own house, and by that I mean the lunatics in he left preaching understanding of the ideals of the "progressive" ISIS and urging us all to allow Muslim Extremists to brain wash kids in free schools, send young men and women to their deaths in Syria and fund those seeking a caliphate.

Every hue of politics is susceptible to extremism but you and your like are fundamentally misunderstanding and using misleading language, to state that UKIP will become a haven for the BNP. It won't because of the fundamental controls over members and the screening of members and candidates it's undertakes and the fundamental issue that the far right, like he far left, is just too far splintered and prone to in fighting to launch any type of credible and effective take over of any mainstream political party.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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Kermit8 Hevon 30 Nov 14 11.13am
Fact is, Matthew, you are now voting the same as the unashamedly bigoted Nick Griffin who was once the leader of a Party which wore its dislike of other skin colours with pride. Yet another clue for you about which political road UKIP are on. How far will they have to travel down it before you reject them and end up saying 'nothing to do wiv me, guv'? It will have been everything to do with you. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 30 Nov 14 11.13am

Fact is, Matthew, you are now voting the same as the unashamedly bigoted Nick Griffin who was once the leader of a Party which wore its dislike of other skin colours with pride.

Yet another clue for you about which political road UKIP are on. How far will they have to travel down it before you reject them and end up saying 'nothing to do wiv me, guv'?

It will have been everything to do with you.

Big chest and massive boobs

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Pawson Palace Croydon 30 Nov 14 11.18am
Of course is space to build but for heaven sakes our infrastructure is on it's knees and you can't just expand that over night. Public transport Roads Schools Hospitals GP Surgeries All bursting at the seams there has to be a point where it will start reducing the quality of life for the current inhabitants and nobody will give a feck about their rights. I honestly believe we are close to teetering on the edge of a meltdown and it must be other people thinking the same because UKIP and gaining momentum and fast. Immigration is a fantastic thing, but for heavens sake we need to start being more pragmatic about it and take in doctors, nurses and teachers rather than just anyway who knocks on the front door. So for anyone to suggest the majority of UKIP voters are right wing extremists is laughable. Many people have run out of patience with Conservatives and see UKIP as the only alternative to vote for. Pride of South London Upper Holmesdale Block P
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Croydon 30 Nov 14 11.18am

Of course is space to build but for heaven sakes our infrastructure is on it's knees and you can't just expand that over night.

Public transport
Roads
Schools
Hospitals
GP Surgeries

All bursting at the seams there has to be a point where it will start reducing the quality of life for the current inhabitants and nobody will give a feck about their rights. I honestly believe we are close to teetering on the edge of a meltdown and it must be other people thinking the same because UKIP and gaining momentum and fast.

Immigration is a fantastic thing, but for heavens sake we need to start being more pragmatic about it and take in doctors, nurses and teachers rather than just anyway who knocks on the front door.

So for anyone to suggest the majority of UKIP voters are right wing extremists is laughable. Many people have run out of patience with Conservatives and see UKIP as the only alternative to vote for.

Pride of South London
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Hoof Hearted 30 Nov 14 11.42am
Interesting to hear on the news this morning that Switzerland have imposed a cap on immigration of 0.2% of the population (roughly equating to 16,000 per year. Our politicians proposing/making changes to benefits and access to them are hugely missing the point that it is the effect on our infrastructure and the hardships caused by overcrowding that is the real driver for the rise in UKIP popularity. A cap on numbers coming in, is a necessity, not making the terms of entry less attractive. The UK with no benefits or NHS is a better prospect for a lot of eastern Europeans than living where they are, and they are drawn to these shores like a magnet.
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Hoof Hearted 30 Nov 14 11.42am

Interesting to hear on the news this morning that Switzerland have imposed a cap on immigration of 0.2% of the population (roughly equating to 16,000 per year.

Our politicians proposing/making changes to benefits and access to them are hugely missing the point that it is the effect on our infrastructure and the hardships caused by overcrowding that is the real driver for the rise in UKIP popularity.

A cap on numbers coming in, is a necessity, not making the terms of entry less attractive.

The UK with no benefits or NHS is a better prospect for a lot of eastern Europeans than living where they are, and they are drawn to these shores like a magnet.

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matt_himself Matataland 30 Nov 14 11.48am
Quote Kermit8 at 30 Nov 2014 11.13am Fact is, Matthew, you are now voting the same as the unashamedly bigoted Nick Griffin who was once the leader of a Party which wore its dislike of other skin colours with pride. Yet another clue for you about which political road UKIP are on. How far will they have to travel down it before you reject them and end up saying 'nothing to do wiv me, guv'? It will have been everything to do with you. Give it up Kermit. If anyone is responsible for the disenchantment with mainstream politics it is your favourite beige politicians preaching an elitist agenda that is far removed the ordinary person. Griffin's announcement, should you have read it, was about messing with the political establishment and was not supporting UKIP. Far from it.your lazy and deliberately misleading comments are a pathetic attempt to undermine UKIP. Please show me where Griffin said he implicitly supported UKIP's policies? Please show me where Griffin wasn't urging a protest vote against the Tories in his 'announcement'? You and your lefty swivelled eyed chums need to formulate a credible and workable leftish agenda in order to counter the rise of UKIP, if you find it so unappealing. However, you won't because the left is intellectually bankrupt, is spreading paranoid politics in order to appear relevant and will end up continually splintered and bickering internally. This lazy, self righteous moralising is boring and hypocritical. By supporting a leftish agenda, including unwavering support for the EU, the irony is that you and your lefty chums have lately created the disillusionment with mainstream politics. You disengaged with the ordinary person and pursued an elitist agenda. Shame on you. Edited by matt_himself (30 Nov 2014 11.49am) "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 30 Nov 14 11.48am

Quote Kermit8 at 30 Nov 2014 11.13am

Fact is, Matthew, you are now voting the same as the unashamedly bigoted Nick Griffin who was once the leader of a Party which wore its dislike of other skin colours with pride.

Yet another clue for you about which political road UKIP are on. How far will they have to travel down it before you reject them and end up saying 'nothing to do wiv me, guv'?

It will have been everything to do with you.

Give it up Kermit. If anyone is responsible for the disenchantment with mainstream politics it is your favourite beige politicians preaching an elitist agenda that is far removed the ordinary person.

Griffin's announcement, should you have read it, was about messing with the political establishment and was not supporting UKIP. Far from it.your lazy and deliberately misleading comments are a pathetic attempt to undermine UKIP. Please show me where Griffin said he implicitly supported UKIP's policies? Please show me where Griffin wasn't urging a protest vote against the Tories in his 'announcement'?

You and your lefty swivelled eyed chums need to formulate a credible and workable leftish agenda in order to counter the rise of UKIP, if you find it so unappealing. However, you won't because the left is intellectually bankrupt, is spreading paranoid politics in order to appear relevant and will end up continually splintered and bickering internally.

This lazy, self righteous moralising is boring and hypocritical. By supporting a leftish agenda, including unwavering support for the EU, the irony is that you and your lefty chums have lately created the disillusionment with mainstream politics. You disengaged with the ordinary person and pursued an elitist agenda. Shame on you.

Edited by matt_himself (30 Nov 2014 11.49am)

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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Kermit8 Hevon 30 Nov 14 12.29pm
Er......the majority of 'ordinary' people will be voting either Conservative or Labour at the next General Election. As per usual. You need to qualify your responses more, Matthew, should you wish it not to sound like cynical propaganda. Which it does. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 30 Nov 14 12.29pm

Er......the majority of 'ordinary' people will be voting either Conservative or Labour at the next General Election. As per usual.

You need to qualify your responses more, Matthew, should you wish it not to sound like cynical propaganda. Which it does.

Big chest and massive boobs

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matt_himself Matataland 30 Nov 14 3.45pm
Quote Kermit8 at 30 Nov 2014 12.29pm Er......the majority of 'ordinary' people will be voting either Conservative or Labour at the next General Election. As per usual. You need to qualify your responses more, Matthew, should you wish it not to sound like cynical propaganda. Which it does. Kermit - the broken record: Attachment: image.jpg (16.79Kb) "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 30 Nov 14 3.45pm

Quote Kermit8 at 30 Nov 2014 12.29pm

Er......the majority of 'ordinary' people will be voting either Conservative or Labour at the next General Election. As per usual.

You need to qualify your responses more, Matthew, should you wish it not to sound like cynical propaganda. Which it does.

Kermit - the broken record:

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"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 30 Nov 14 5.52pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 30 Nov 2014 11.42am Interesting to hear on the news this morning that Switzerland have imposed a cap on immigration of 0.2% of the population (roughly equating to 16,000 per year. . No they haven't. [Link] The idea was rejected in a referendum.
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 30 Nov 2014 11.42am

Interesting to hear on the news this morning that Switzerland have imposed a cap on immigration of 0.2% of the population (roughly equating to 16,000 per year.

No they haven't.
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The idea was rejected in a referendum.

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on me shed son Krakow 30 Nov 14 5.54pm
Quote nickgusset at 30 Nov 2014 5.52pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 30 Nov 2014 11.42am Interesting to hear on the news this morning that Switzerland have imposed a cap on immigration of 0.2% of the population (roughly equating to 16,000 per year. . No they haven't. [Link] The idea was rejected in a referendum. I think people sometimes forget that Switzerland are a real democracy where people actually get to decide things.
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Quote nickgusset at 30 Nov 2014 5.52pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 30 Nov 2014 11.42am

Interesting to hear on the news this morning that Switzerland have imposed a cap on immigration of 0.2% of the population (roughly equating to 16,000 per year.

No they haven't.
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The idea was rejected in a referendum.

I think people sometimes forget that Switzerland are a real democracy where people actually get to decide things.

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crystal balls The Garden of Earthly Delights 30 Nov 14 6.03pm
Interesting view that I heard (and perhaps accurate) that those Tory voters who have done well (bonuses, income tax cuts etc.) still support the Tories, while those who haven't done as well as they expected tend to blame immigrants, ethnic minorities and gays for their situation and vote UKIP, rather than admitting their own failings. I used to be immortal
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The Garden of Earthly Delights 30 Nov 14 6.03pm

Interesting view that I heard (and perhaps accurate) that those Tory voters who have done well (bonuses, income tax cuts etc.) still support the Tories, while those who haven't done as well as they expected tend to blame immigrants, ethnic minorities and gays for their situation and vote UKIP, rather than admitting their own failings.

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Hoof Hearted 30 Nov 14 6.44pm
Quote nickgusset at 30 Nov 2014 5.52pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 30 Nov 2014 11.42am Interesting to hear on the news this morning that Switzerland have imposed a cap on immigration of 0.2% of the population (roughly equating to 16,000 per year. . No they haven't. [Link] The idea was rejected in a referendum. Apologies........ I was a trifle hung over from an early xmas party last night and misheard the report.
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Quote nickgusset at 30 Nov 2014 5.52pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 30 Nov 2014 11.42am

Interesting to hear on the news this morning that Switzerland have imposed a cap on immigration of 0.2% of the population (roughly equating to 16,000 per year.

No they haven't.
[Link]
The idea was rejected in a referendum.

Apologies........ I was a trifle hung over from an early xmas party last night and misheard the report.

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