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.TUX. 21 Jan 19 8.14pm | |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Of course short term thinking! If In 2 months we're about to crash out of the EU and no one has any idea what direction we will take, we have to sort out that mess before taking the next step. The time to plan long term has been and gone There may or may not be other opportunities but unless people put some meat on the bones about how they will improve our situation its just the usual meaningless soundbites Edited by Pussay Patrol (21 Jan 2019 5.08pm) Why are your presumptions (because that is what they are) always ''crash''.........not leave, and ''chaos''..........not reorganise? You've been indoctrinated.
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Penge Eagle Beckenham 21 Jan 19 8.22pm | |
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Really funny, I couldn't find these positive Brexit stories on the BBC or Sky News websites. 'Fast track' lanes for UK tourists in Portuguese airports post-Brexit [Link] New Zealand PM: We want trade deal with Brexit Britain [Link]
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Lyons550 Shirley 21 Jan 19 8.47pm | |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
And not being able to buy French produce is good for us as a consumer how exactly? So what you're saying is the chaos, uncertainty and blockades that would ensue would hurt France's economy so that's a reason to celebrate? More Insular, backward thinking. The rest of world must laugh at us
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Spiderman Horsham 21 Jan 19 9.37pm | |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
Really funny, I couldn't find these positive Brexit stories on the BBC or Sky News websites. 'Fast track' lanes for UK tourists in Portuguese airports post-Brexit [Link] New Zealand PM: We want trade deal with Brexit Britain [Link] Yep doesn't suit the agenda does it
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Stirlingsays 21 Jan 19 9.39pm | |
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Originally posted by .TUX.
Why are your presumptions (because that is what they are) always ''crash''.........not leave, and ''chaos''..........not reorganise? You've been indoctrinated.
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Pussay Patrol 21 Jan 19 9.52pm | |
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Originally posted by .TUX.
Why are your presumptions (because that is what they are) always ''crash''.........not leave, and ''chaos''..........not reorganise? You've been indoctrinated. well forgive my ignorance but no one has the slightest idea how or when Brexit will happen, the country is firmly divided, it is a mere 2 months away and the whole county is up in the air with politicians still squabbling and unable to agree a way forward. Companies don't know what to do so they are preparing for the worst by stockpiling. How is that anything other than chaos and disorganisation? I'm pretty sure people who voted leave in 2016 assumed we would do so in an organised and orderly fashion and anyone trying to make out everything is rosey is just deluded
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elgrande bedford 21 Jan 19 9.59pm | |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
well forgive my ignorance but no one has the slightest idea how or when Brexit will happen, the country is firmly divided, it is a mere 2 months away and the whole county is up in the air with politicians still squabbling and unable to agree a way forward. Companies don't know what to do so they are preparing for the worst by stockpiling. How is that anything other than chaos and disorganisation? I'm pretty sure people who voted leave in 2016 assumed we would do so in an organised and orderly fashion and anyone trying to make out everything is rosey is just deluded You have just contradicted yourself in the first two lines.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 21 Jan 19 10.50pm | |
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Originally posted by elgrande
You have just contradicted yourself in the first two lines. I know, it wears thinner and thinner.
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Penge Eagle Beckenham 21 Jan 19 11.16pm | |
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Today's main story on Sky News website, yet more Project Fear propaganda. Look at the replies to the Tweet and pretty much everyone sees it for what it is. It shows how out of touch the mainstream media is and that people aren't falling for this pro-EU, pro establishment agenda from our main broadcasters and gives me some hope! [Tweet Link]
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 21 Jan 19 11.40pm | |
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I came across this on a forum I sometimes read. These aren't therefore my thoughts but nevertheless I thought they might stimulate some debate as they add some context to why so many are reconsidering their position. It's not very well written, has some spelling mistakes and is very long, so ignore if you have no time:-
First of all, I'm a centrist. I don't think hardcore socialism can work any more than hard core capitalism. I've read Robert Tressell's Ragged Trousered Philanthropists - the strongest argument for socialism. I don't think it can work. At the moment though, we're in deep sh*t. We're living in an economy where the top 1% are stripping the country bare without contributing a thing and the divide is getting bigger and bigger. The 2019 EU Anti-Tax Haven legislation might have gone some way to mitigating this. However, when the people it would affect learned about it - they went hell bent for leaving the EU. Before it was announced the EU was mainly a political scapegoat and outlet for media racism. Watch the Panama Papers and the Paradise Papers and imagine how those billionaires that pay zero tax will feel about having to contribute their fair share. Then there's the disaster capitalists who stand to make a fortune out of the UK's demise. For example Crispin Odey made £200 million in ONE NIGHT when the UK voted to leave by betting against the pound. He campaigned for leave by the way. It's a bit like a footballer betting against his own team then trying to score own goals. Then there's Putin who wants to destabilize the EU. He's already annexed Crimea, shot down a Malaysian Air Liner, gone to war in Ukraine and seized several Ukrainian boats. If the EU falls several states will be under threat by Russia. There's still the question over Aaron Banks and Nigel Fartage recieving Russian money. There ARE people who benefit from Brexit, but they are NOT the people conned into voting for it. Every single argument for leaving the EU is bunkum. UK MEP's voted WITH the EU on 95% of votes. We are NOT losing sovereignty. The UK sold it's fishing quotas. The EU had nothing to do with the shrinking fishing industry and to be fair the financial sector is many times the fishing industry in terms of GDP. If we lose that but get back fishing we'll be 1000 times worse off. We always had control of our borders. If the UK government had implemented the 3 month rule we could have sent non-self-supporting immigrants back after 3 months. They couldn't be bothered. We also need skilled and unskilled migrant workers. If we can't get them from Poland we'll end up shipping them in from the Common Wealth - for example pakistan. Immigrants payed in far more taxes than they took out. Turkey is NOT joining the EU and even if they did by some miracle manage it - the entire population of Turkey is NOT desperate to move to the UK. I honestly suspect more would prefer Germany which has a long history of inviting Turkish Gaster Arbeiters to live there. Brexit was a con, a sham, and it's now showing. If Brexit was honestly been a good idea, It wouldn't have taken insane levels of illegal spending by the leave campaign, years of lies and hate by the tax-dodging billionaire UK media barons who want to keep their tax havens open and thousands of Russian Troll Farms flooding Twitter for months. The only argument left for Brexit now we know the TRUTH, is that people voted for it. But people voted based on a pack of lies. Brexit isn't about soveriegnty or immigration or fishing and you're a fool if you believe that. It's about protecting the wealth of the British elite. They want to keep their tax havens and they want to turn the UK into a mini-America, a low-rent, deregulated Tax Haven on the shores of Europe. They'll do very well out of Brexit - sadly the rest of us are screwed. The reason the Tory party are still pushing ahead with this nonsense is that many of these tax dodgers are massive Tory party donors. They'll be lobbying and donating because that's cheaper than paying their fair share of tax. Corbyn wants Brexit because he believes the system is broken and needs replacing. In that, he MAY be right, but his desire to destroy the system to pave the way is flawed. The economic recovery of the UK from Brexit will take at least 50 years or more. We still don't know the long term consequences of Brexit on the EU, the UK and Western Europe in general. What we DO know is Scotland is likely to end up an independent EU country if Brexit goes ahead. Gibraltar may well have to move to shared sovereignty with Spain to secure trade deals and we'll probably see more pressure for a United Ireland. Brexit is an utter catastrophe. The damage it's ALREADY done is horrific. Over TWO years of wasted political will, arguing over how we wreck the country. History WILL NOT look favourably on Brexiteers. They'll be compared to the moderates in 1930's Germany who enabled the Nazi party to take power. Despite the complete cock up of Brexit, I'm not convinced it can be stopped. I think anyone who voted Brexit should be at the back of the queue for food and medicines as the fact you bought the hatred and lies spouted by Leave makes you accountable."
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steve1984 22 Jan 19 12.06am | |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
people aren't falling for this pro-EU, pro establishment agenda from our main broadcasters and gives me some hope! Why does the fact that there are so many morons out there give you hope?
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Pussay Patrol 22 Jan 19 5.54am | |
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Originally posted by elgrande
You have just contradicted yourself in the first two lines. Good lord, you actually posted that?
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