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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 18 Feb 24 4.15am | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Why did Hamas provoke Israel so savagely on October 7th, knowing full well what the severity of the response would be. We should all know the history of this continual conflict, from Israel's creation. The big question is why the Hamas attack happened. A few conspiracy theories, only because the expected response from Israel was to be massive. Why the world just ignores Palestinian suffering is beyond my comprehension. This is totally stoppable, with a ceasefire and letting appropriate aid in.
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steeleye20 Croydon 18 Feb 24 11.06am | |
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The only country in the world prepared to stand up at the UN and demand a ceasefire? Putin's Russia. It's guilt, the west cannot face the truth of what they have supported, both financially and militarily in the USA case. For them to portray this as 'self-defence' how does that look now. It's 'self-defence' to murder 13,000 Palestinian children. Their knee-jerk reaction, supporting blind revenge, their complete lack of understanding of the region and the occupation by Israel as though it had never happened. All this to defeat Hamas, but only in Gaza.
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 18 Feb 24 11.43am | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The only country in the world prepared to stand up at the UN and demand a ceasefire? Putin's Russia. It's guilt, the west cannot face the truth of what they have supported, both financially and militarily in the USA case. For them to portray this as 'self-defence' how does that look now. It's 'self-defence' to murder 13,000 Palestinian children. Their knee-jerk reaction, supporting blind revenge, their complete lack of understanding of the region and the occupation by Israel as though it had never happened. All this to defeat Hamas, but only in Gaza. Putin wouldn't have an agenda either.
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Stirlingsays 18 Feb 24 12.25pm | |
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Egypt’s President Sisi has reiterated his country’s 'categorical rejection of the displacement of Palestinians to Egypt in any shape or form'. I hear Egypt are building structures to keep Palestinians out of the Sinai. Looks like its us or the Africans boys. Expect more of the soft sell soon. Personally watching Israel get away with what they are doing is quite something - watching the Democrats juggle between their 'donors' and their base is morbidly fascinating....Anyway it looks like Israel are preparing to go hard again....but essentially that's around 1.5 million people in a smallish area. Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Feb 2024 12.45pm)
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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 18 Feb 24 12.37pm | |
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I thought I would never see this in my lifetime. A country/state and it's people wiped off a map, by brutal military force, by starvation and depriving of aid and water.
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 18 Feb 24 1.40pm | |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
I thought I would never see this in my lifetime. A country/state and it's people wiped off a map, by brutal military force, by starvation and depriving of aid and water. From my knowledge Israel stopped using British arms in favour of US ones. Currently, they do buy components for those arms from the UK - such as F35 parts - but they do not import any British weapons or weapons systems anymore. They've started replacing British involvement with Indian anyway - as they have access to most of the parts these days and are, obviously, cheaper.
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HKOwen Hong Kong 19 Feb 24 12.12am | |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Genuine question - have you done any sort of reading on Israel/Palestine pre October 7th? The idea that this all started, or is all the result of October 7th is just fundamentally flawed. Do you ever consider how or why Hamas have ended up in power in Palestine? Genuine answer, read what I wrote. The current Gaza fighting is a direct result of October 7th, cynically carried out by Hamas. I know the history thank you. This problem will never end while there is a constant circle of death and retaliation. You seem to think Oct 7th was somehow justified by previous events over the past decades. Hamas ran on a policy of the eradication of Israel and 60% voted for it, Hamas are in power because they were voted in. The death and destruction is awful , no one wants to see it. Edited by HKOwen (19 Feb 2024 12.14am) Edited by HKOwen (19 Feb 2024 9.49am)
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Stirlingsays 19 Feb 24 8.35am | |
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HKOwen Hong Kong 19 Feb 24 9.56am | |
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It's extremely arrogant for Starmer and Anas Sarwar to think they have any voice or influence in the conflict, especially when they play with semantics. Starmer worried about Rochdale now. A ceasefire will require Israel and Hamas to reach some kind of agreement.
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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 19 Feb 24 12.03pm | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Why did Hamas provoke Israel so savagely on October 7th, knowing full well what the severity of the response would be. 1. Because they’re terrorists. A state that has signed the Geneva convention and purports to respect international law is obviously held to a higher standard than terrorists. 2. Because they are decades into being occupied and oppressed and see a lack of alternatives. I don’t know why people act surprised or confused about the existence and actions of Hamas - they are an absolutely inevitable consequence of sustained occupation and oppression. It would be much harder to understand if a Palestinian movement of that sort didn’t exist, given the history of the place. This notion that because a state is a victim of a terror attack they are within their rights to commit genocide, massacre civilians and children, and displace millions of people is so stupid I can’t believe people still stand by it. I can’t comprehend seeing the things we have seen in recent months and still sticking to a view that excuses those actions. It’s an utter lack of morality as well as being plain dumb.
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georgenorman 19 Feb 24 6.55pm | |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
1. Because they’re terrorists. A state that has signed the Geneva convention and purports to respect international law is obviously held to a higher standard than terrorists. 2. Because they are decades into being occupied and oppressed and see a lack of alternatives. I don’t know why people act surprised or confused about the existence and actions of Hamas - they are an absolutely inevitable consequence of sustained occupation and oppression. It would be much harder to understand if a Palestinian movement of that sort didn’t exist, given the history of the place. This notion that because a state is a victim of a terror attack they are within their rights to commit genocide, massacre civilians and children, and displace millions of people is so stupid I can’t believe people still stand by it. I can’t comprehend seeing the things we have seen in recent months and still sticking to a view that excuses those actions. It’s an utter lack of morality as well as being plain dumb. So terrorists shouldn't really be criticised for carrying out atrocities because they are terrorists.
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cryrst The garden of England 19 Feb 24 7.08pm | |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
1. Because they’re terrorists. A state that has signed the Geneva convention and purports to respect international law is obviously held to a higher standard than terrorists. 2. Because they are decades into being occupied and oppressed and see a lack of alternatives. I don’t know why people act surprised or confused about the existence and actions of Hamas - they are an absolutely inevitable consequence of sustained occupation and oppression. It would be much harder to understand if a Palestinian movement of that sort didn’t exist, given the history of the place. This notion that because a state is a victim of a terror attack they are within their rights to commit genocide, massacre civilians and children, and displace millions of people is so stupid I can’t believe people still stand by it. I can’t comprehend seeing the things we have seen in recent months and still sticking to a view that excuses those actions. It’s an utter lack of morality as well as being plain dumb. Genocide ?
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