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gary3a Flag bromley 17 Jul 24 4.07pm Send a Private Message to gary3a Add gary3a as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Although I did hear a report on the wireless a few days ago that the dopey 16-17 year olds are not gimmee left wing. Many are right wing. It’s the 20 somethings who are the lefties. How true I don’t know but it doesn’t necessarily add to labours voter base. Many other countries allow these ages to vote now.

only those that follow Andrew Tate...

 

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gary3a Flag bromley 17 Jul 24 4.11pm Send a Private Message to gary3a Add gary3a as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I can see why some convinced hard left wingers would support a party led by Corbyn and why a comparison with Farage on the right has some validity.

He is though 75 years old, whilst Farage is 60. Reform, as the latest incarnation of UKIP and the Brexit Party, have a base and donors. Corbyn has experience but anything like this will take time, which he doesn’t have.

Such parties are personality driven and without them either would struggle.

What impact could such a party have? Take a share of Labour votes, but next to no seats? Just as Reform did to the Tories! Eventually, if it got backing, but I don’t see where that’s going to come from, in any really meaningful way. By which time Corbyn would be in his dotage and we know how popular politicians over 80 can be!

So I don’t see this as a serious threat to Labour. If I am wrong it would only help the Tories.

I think what people forget is that generally as a country we are middle of the road, extreme left or right parties dont have a chance getting elected. Thats why the Tories will be out of power for 10+ years if they lurch right going after the reform vote.

 

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cryrst Flag The garden of England 17 Jul 24 4.28pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by gary3a

I think what people forget is that generally as a country we are middle of the road, extreme left or right parties dont have a chance getting elected. Thats why the Tories will be out of power for 10+ years if they lurch right going after the reform vote.

If more st of the population feel right wing policies help them then that’s how they vote. If most want more freebies then they vote left. Less than a quarter of the voting population put labour in this year.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 17 Jul 24 4.35pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Oh dear!

This is one Gary that definitely doesn't glitter.

 

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EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 17 Jul 24 5.30pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by gary3a

I think what people forget is that generally as a country we are middle of the road, extreme left or right parties dont have a chance getting elected. Thats why the Tories will be out of power for 10+ years if they lurch right going after the reform vote.

My problem with this logic is it lends itself to the idea that society is the same as it has been for decades, and so the tried and tested solutions will work it all out - I don't subscribe to that at all; this is an ongoing decline and direction of travel will only continue to go one way without significant intervention.

The ongoing increases in inequality and ongoing decline in living standards for ordinary people is not going to change if we keep hopping 'sensibly' from one group of centrists to another, and as societies problems worsen and more people can see that neither the Tories nor Labour will fix it, they will look for alternatives on both the left and the right.

I dislike Farage and Reform, but the left would be stupid to think he or they will go away, or that people aren't going to continue to be drawn to that type of offering as their lot gets worse year on year.


 

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eagleman13 Flag On The Road To Hell & Alicante 17 Jul 24 5.44pm Send a Private Message to eagleman13 Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add eagleman13 as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Oh dear!

This is one Gary that definitely doesn't glitter.

Been 7yrs since he last posted.

 


This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 17 Jul 24 5.49pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by eagleman13

Been 7yrs since he last posted.

Perhaps he comes out of hibernation on a 7 year cycle.

 

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eagleman13 Flag On The Road To Hell & Alicante 17 Jul 24 6.16pm Send a Private Message to eagleman13 Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add eagleman13 as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Perhaps he comes out of hibernation on a 7 year cycle.

I thought that was hedgehogs

 


This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 17 Jul 24 6.38pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by eagleman13

I thought that was hedgehogs

They hibernate every year, do they not?

I was thinking more X Files style.

Hold on to your liver.

 

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eagleman13 Flag On The Road To Hell & Alicante 17 Jul 24 6.43pm Send a Private Message to eagleman13 Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add eagleman13 as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

They hibernate every year, do they not?

I was thinking more X Files style.

Hold on to your liver.

Or 'Dallas' & Bobby

Edited by eagleman13 (17 Jul 2024 6.44pm)

 


This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 17 Jul 24 6.50pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by eagleman13

Or 'Dallas' & Bobby

Edited by eagleman13 (17 Jul 2024 6.44pm)

I think we are all in for a 5 year bad dream.

 

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cryrst Flag The garden of England 17 Jul 24 6.57pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

My problem with this logic is it lends itself to the idea that society is the same as it has been for decades, and so the tried and tested solutions will work it all out - I don't subscribe to that at all; this is an ongoing decline and direction of travel will only continue to go one way without significant intervention.

The ongoing increases in inequality and ongoing decline in living standards for ordinary people is not going to change if we keep hopping 'sensibly' from one group of centrists to another, and as societies problems worsen and more people can see that neither the Tories nor Labour will fix it, they will look for alternatives on both the left and the right.

I dislike Farage and Reform, but the left would be stupid to think he or they will go away, or that people aren't going to continue to be drawn to that type of offering as their lot gets worse year on year.


I sense your tick may be following that tradjectory.

 

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