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 Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 07 Nov 20 12.03pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Read a couple of articles about high level dems stating defund the police and going socialist almost cost them this election win (if they do). No political party in any genuine democracy will hold power for long if they occupy either margin. The only way is either centre-left or centre-right. As Trump is about to find out. Biden won't allow the left to dominate. Biden is not the least bit "left". He is very much a centrist so they will not be allowed to impact policy, which I anticipate will be pragmatic and tackle the pandemic first and then the economic recovery. More interesting is how the Republicans will respond. Will they reclaim the soul of their party or will they stay full Trumpian because of the base?
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 07 Nov 20 12.15pm |
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Originally posted by silvertop
There are a number of potential prosecutions that can be brought against trump but I would be amazed if they were. He could pardon himself as his last act. Never been done uncertain legality. The crimes are white collar and complex/murky and prosecutors should be unlikely to proceed unless they have a slam dunk case. Very recent history shows that prosecuting this slippery well funded eel is far from easy. However my guess is that Biden will do all he can to stop a prosecution up to issuing an executive pardon. The US has endured 4 years of polarising damage engineered by trump to keep power. The task of healing will not be served by placing that shaved orang tan in the witness box and allowing him to be a unifying martyr for populist right wing conspiracy nut causes. A pardon would be the most humiliating for trump. It would affirm his crimes without giving him any platform and would demonstrate largessse and forgiveness by the Democrats. One would hope this would cause trump to vanish as quietly as is possible with that man and hopefully nip his attempt at creating a trump dynasty in the bud. He has to be charged with something before he can pardon himself. The charges are anyway said to be held by the state of NY and he cannot pardon himself of a state crime. Presidents can only pardon a federal crime. Whether Biden would pardon any federal crime would depend on a political judgement over it's impact, as you suggest, but seems unlikely to be involved. The charges don't involve his Presidency but predate it along with some that relate to the 2016 campaign. Don Jnr, Eric and Kushner are also in the crosshairs.
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BlueJay  UK 07 Nov 20 12.18pm |
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No software glitch, it was human error when tabulating the unofficial results. Essentially the checks, balances and verification worked, which is why this was highlighted to begin with [Link] Biden has a significant lead and won the election handily. No amount of re-imagining will change that, though as allegiance to Trump involves accepting 'his' reality, I'm sure he'll have no trouble convincing tens of millions that he won.
Edited by BlueJay (07 Nov 2020 12.33pm)
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| silvertop Portishead 07 Nov 20 12.26pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
He has to be charged with something before he can pardon himself. The charges are anyway said to be held by the state of NY and he cannot pardon himself of a state crime. Presidents can only pardon a federal crime. Whether Biden would pardon any federal crime would depend on a political judgement over it's impact, as you suggest, but seems unlikely to be involved. The charges don't involve his Presidency but predate it along with some that relate to the 2016 campaign. Don Jnr, Eric and Kushner are also in the crosshairs. I know all that but whatever can be done to avoid prosecution should be done. Pleasing but madness.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 07 Nov 20 1.36pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
He has to be charged with something before he can pardon himself. The charges are anyway said to be held by the state of NY and he cannot pardon himself of a state crime. Presidents can only pardon a federal crime. Whether Biden would pardon any federal crime would depend on a political judgement over it's impact, as you suggest, but seems unlikely to be involved. The charges don't involve his Presidency but predate it along with some that relate to the 2016 campaign. Don Jnr, Eric and Kushner are also in the crosshairs. Nixon was never charged with anything but Ford still pardoned him. I agree with Silvertop the smart move here is for Biden to pardon Trump. Millions of people voted for him so if you position yourself as the consensus candidate you need to placate them. Sure the democrats can go after Trump with a vengeance and what do you think the republicans will do? They will open an inquiry into Biden and his family plenty of dirt there. If I were Biden I would reach out to the republican leadership and do a deal pardon Trump and the republicans wont go after Biden or his family. This all dates back to the republicans going after Clinton now both parties can continue to play revenge politics or they can step back and focus on what they can agree on. Biden will need cross party support in Congress. If the republicans wont play ball then they will look small and vindictive and Biden will emerge with credit. If they agree then hopefully everybody gets something out of it.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 07 Nov 20 2.01pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Nixon was never charged with anything but Ford still pardoned him. I agree with Silvertop the smart move here is for Biden to pardon Trump. Millions of people voted for him so if you position yourself as the consensus candidate you need to placate them. Sure the democrats can go after Trump with a vengeance and what do you think the republicans will do? They will open an inquiry into Biden and his family plenty of dirt there. If I were Biden I would reach out to the republican leadership and do a deal pardon Trump and the republicans wont go after Biden or his family. This all dates back to the republicans going after Clinton now both parties can continue to play revenge politics or they can step back and focus on what they can agree on. Biden will need cross party support in Congress. If the republicans wont play ball then they will look small and vindictive and Biden will emerge with credit. If they agree then hopefully everybody gets something out of it. With respect I think you are missing the point. The indictments have been handed off to the NY AG to be dealt with at a State level. That's where Trump's businesses are based and many of the indictments concern his business activities rather than his time as President, which could be pardoned by Biden. Biden though cannot pardon state-level crime. Whether he can exercise some influence remains to be seen. There is every chance that the idea that no-one is above the law will prevail.
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PalazioVecchio  south pole 07 Nov 20 2.04pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Nixon was never charged with anything but Ford still pardoned him. I agree with Silvertop the smart move here is for Biden to pardon Trump. Millions of people voted for him so if you position yourself as the consensus candidate you need to placate them. Sure the democrats can go after Trump with a vengeance and what do you think the republicans will do? They will open an inquiry into Biden and his family plenty of dirt there. If I were Biden I would reach out to the republican leadership and do a deal pardon Trump and the republicans wont go after Biden or his family. This all dates back to the republicans going after Clinton now both parties can continue to play revenge politics or they can step back and focus on what they can agree on. Biden will need cross party support in Congress. If the republicans wont play ball then they will look small and vindictive and Biden will emerge with credit. If they agree then hopefully everybody gets something out of it.
drunk off his t1ts in the Oval Office at 3am, ordering a nuclear strike on vietnam while beating the wife. Anthony Hopkins did an excellent movie on him.
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| cryrst The garden of England 07 Nov 20 4.22pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
No political party in any genuine democracy will hold power for long if they occupy either margin. The only way is either centre-left or centre-right. As Trump is about to find out. Biden won't allow the left to dominate. Biden is not the least bit "left". He is very much a centrist so they will not be allowed to impact policy, which I anticipate will be pragmatic and tackle the pandemic first and then the economic recovery. More interesting is how the Republicans will respond. Will they reclaim the soul of their party or will they stay full Trumpian because of the base? So do you think antifa and blm to a degree will slink away a bit as they have what they wanted potentially. Dems wont want to be seen to favour left wing politics too much bearing in mind 48% ironically will have voted republican. Edited by cryrst (07 Nov 2020 4.24pm) Edited by cryrst (07 Nov 2020 4.25pm)
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Teddy Eagle  07 Nov 20 4.28pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The suggestion was they aren't words. They are. Opinions will be divided over how accurately they are used. Some will think, never. Others, often. Locobap is a word I’ve just made up. What does it mean? Anything you want it to but it exists as a word.
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| cryrst The garden of England 07 Nov 20 4.33pm |
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Biden has won.
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croydon proud  Any european country i fancy! 07 Nov 20 4.35pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Biden has won. Crack open the beers and put down the football- for the NEW , president of the united states- smokin- Joooooooooooooo0000 BIDEN!
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| cryrst The garden of England 07 Nov 20 4.38pm |
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Originally posted by croydon proud
Crack open the beers and put down the football- for the NEW , president of the united states- smokin- Joooooooooooooo0000 BIDEN! Normally but we are 4 1 up.
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