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cryrst Flag The garden of England 27 Feb 20 7.45pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

They are islamic or muslim or pakistani or asian or non white or brown.
But they definitely are describable as more than just 'criminals'.

 

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Teddy Eagle Flag 27 Feb 20 7.47pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

SS accuses me of having my attitude "laid bare" via this quote:-

"It's not about whether it's positive or negative.

It's about what is true."

So let's examine a couple of things.

Is describing "grooming gangs" as "grooming gangs" a lie?

Is describing "grooming gangs" as "Islamic grooming gangs" the truth?

Now the first cannot be untrue. They are grooming gangs.

The second is. Why is that? There are several reasons.

The first being that no-one from the faith of Islam sent these people out to commit crime in their name. Islam won't be on any crime sheet.

The second is that there are several versions of the Islamic faith. To use the blanket term "Islamic" is no more accurate than describing the IRA as "Christian terrorists".

The third is that we have no actual proof that all the gang members are current, practising members of any faith. Some may be lapsed. Just because someone is called Mohammed is no reason to assume anything anymore than if someone is named Jesus they will be a Christian. Much more likely for sure but that's not good enough. More pertinently though the pictures I have seen of the gangs suggest they aren't all likely to be from one of the Islamic faiths. Some look as though they could be Sikhs.

So if you want this only to be about the truth, because the truth needs to be faced, then face the truth. They aren't "Islamic" grooming gangs. They are grooming gangs. The truth does indeed matter and there it has been really laid bare.

So should the police just say “We’re looking for some people” and leave it at that?

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 27 Feb 20 7.54pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

I think I've finally figured it out.

WE writes for the Onion and he's on here to draft out ideas.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 27 Feb 20 8.28pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

So should the police just say “We’re looking for some people” and leave it at that?

How the Police conduct their enquiries is up to them.

It's what appears in the media and in the court of public opinion that I am addressing.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 27 Feb 20 8.30pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

How the Police conduct their enquiries is up to them.

It's what appears in the media and in the court of public opinion that I am addressing.

No difference. They have to have a description of some sort.

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 27 Feb 20 8.49pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

They are islamic or muslim or pakistani or asian or non white or brown.

As I have explained I really don't think those terms are either accurate or helpful to anyone or anything. Except for juicy headlines in the Mail.

But they definitely are describable as more than just 'criminals'.

Evil? Anti-social? Dangerous?

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 27 Feb 20 8.59pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

No difference. They have to have a description of some sort.

How they handle things internally, and on the doorsteps, is their business.

If they ask for the media to assist them then I would expect them to be more circumspect and, from what I can tell, they are. It's the sensationalist media that are the big problem.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 27 Feb 20 9.07pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

How they handle things internally, and on the doorsteps, is their business.

If they ask for the media to assist them then I would expect them to be more circumspect and, from what I can tell, they are. It's the sensationalist media that are the big problem.

If those responsible were predominantly Welsh, or had Liverpool accents or red hair wouldn’t it be mentioned at some stage? The media can’t help much if they’re are limited to describing the guilty parties.

 

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dannyboy1978 Flag 27 Feb 20 9.15pm Send a Private Message to dannyboy1978 Add dannyboy1978 as a friend

If the majority of people on this site view them as muslim grooming gangs why should we stop calling them by this?

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 27 Feb 20 9.16pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

If those responsible were predominantly Welsh, or had Liverpool accents or red hair wouldn’t it be mentioned at some stage? The media can’t help much if they’re are limited to describing the guilty parties.

Remember Teddy, be positive....they are not 'Welsh'....they are 'friends of sheep'.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 27 Feb 20 9.37pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Remember Teddy, be positive....they are not 'Welsh'....they are 'friends of sheep'.

Indeed. Or Men Who Play with Odd Shaped Balls.

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 27 Feb 20 10.00pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

If those responsible were predominantly Welsh, or had Liverpool accents or red hair wouldn’t it be mentioned at some stage? The media can’t help much if they’re are limited to describing the guilty parties.

Unless they are asked to help by publishing Police descriptions then the media ought to stick to known facts.

So often though what they do is speculate and pander to prejudice.

 


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