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 Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 19 Jan 19 8.25pm |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
You are living in a dream land if you think that. Remember what Cameron tried to do? Look how much they listen to the UK now. Their way to stop it unravelling would be to ask us for MORE UK money and impose even more authoritarian laws and rules like they are doing with Hungary and Italy. Can you explain the link with the British Empire? Sounds like a very leftist soundbite! And funny how European neighbours Iceland, Norway and Switzerland survive fine outside of the EU. A foolish move? The biggest economy in the world (which has said it wants to trade with the UK) and will remain so at LEAST during our generation and our biggest global ally. That sort of anti-US rhetoric is straight out of the leftist playbook. Edited by Penge Eagle (19 Jan 2019 1.37pm) This attitude is so yesterday! What happened when Cameron was PM is ancient history now. The world is changing fast and the EU has no choice other than to evolve and adapt or it will go extinct, as many Brexiteers seem to want. How can you not understand the Empire reference? There really is nothing to explain. We aren't either Iceland, Norway or Switzerland. We are rather bigger, with completely different economies and needs. With Trump trying to break up Nato, his unashamedly inward facing policies and the depth of the right/liberal split in the USA it would be foolish in the extreme to rely on them as our future partners. Trump himself may not be around for long but I fear the environment which created him is not going anywhere soon. I spent 2 months in the USA in 2017 and I love it there but there is no doubt in my mind that it has already peaked and that it's political system is no longer fit for purpose, depending on money and not on merit for advancement. Our place is in Europe and, like it or not, Europe means the EU.
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| chris123 hove actually 19 Jan 19 8.28pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
This attitude is so yesterday! What happened when Cameron was PM is ancient history now. The world is changing fast and the EU has no choice other than to evolve and adapt or it will go extinct, as many Brexiteers seem to want. How can you not understand the Empire reference? There really is nothing to explain. We aren't either Iceland, Norway or Switzerland. We are rather bigger, with completely different economies and needs. With Trump trying to break up Nato, his unashamedly inward facing policies and the depth of the right/liberal split in the USA it would be foolish in the extreme to rely on them as our future partners. Trump himself may not be around for long but I fear the environment which created him is not going anywhere soon. I spent 2 months in the USA in 2017 and I love it there but there is no doubt in my mind that it has already peaked and that it's political system is no longer fit for purpose, depending on money and not on merit for advancement. Our place is in Europe and, like it or not, Europe means the EU.
Getting members of Nato to cough up a fair share is broadly supported in the US.
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| Stirlingsays 19 Jan 19 8.46pm |
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| chris123 hove actually 19 Jan 19 8.50pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I agree, but is probably a good example of how polarised views are.
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Pussay Patrol  19 Jan 19 10.45pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
And that is the difference between a politician and a statesman. I don't think that Corbyn and May would agree on a plan but she offered an olive branch and he swatted it away. Sometimes you have to be seen to be doing the right thing. Corbyn complains that Mrs May is inflexible and out of touch with the people but he is the one who makes demands before he will meet her. The smart move was to meet her and then tell the world afterwards that this woman wont compromise. His intransigence will not make any difference to the faithful but governments aren't elected by them but by the majority of people who are not as committed as that. How will they view his behaviour? I agree with Corbyn's stance, No deal would be damaging to the country. Just like in the EU negotiation she doesn't hold all the cards, in fact, in this instance I don't think she has any
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 19 Jan 19 11.12pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Not in the context of the debate. The EU is the only relevant organisation in Europe that can provide what we need.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 19 Jan 19 11.33pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Not in the context of the debate. The EU is the only relevant organisation in Europe that can provide what we need. What is that? To make us a satellite state subservient to France and Germany?
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| SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 19 Jan 19 11.46pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
I am not just talking about the underclass but the socio-economic groups above. Their opportunities haven’t become available the way they would without Tony Blair inviting anyone in. It’s appalling nobody was given eveyan opinion on this let alone a vote seeing as anyone was branded a racist. My reasons go beyond that nobody has cared but now they will. If you think Tony, the EU and immigration have accelerated the increasing trend of people being left behind, just wait until automation really kicks in. Makes Brexit seem irrelevant in comparison. Game over for the majority of the traditional labour market and working class employment.
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| dynamicdick Dormansland 20 Jan 19 9.21am |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
I agree with Corbyn's stance, No deal would be damaging to the country. Just like in the EU negotiation she doesn't hold all the cards, in fact, in this instance I don't think she has any She does, a ‘No Deal’ which, means no £39bn. If you don’t think this crystallises their minds you are living in cloud cuckoo land.
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| Stirlingsays 20 Jan 19 9.24am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Not in the context of the debate. The EU is the only relevant organisation in Europe that can provide what we need. I disagree, the UK has spent most of his history outside of the any such organization. Several European countries exist and do very well outside of the EU. The EU wants the sovereignty of its member states and destruction of the nation state. It wants an army and it wants to rival the US as a superpower. I will never support that. Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Jan 2019 9.25am)
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| dannyboy1978 20 Jan 19 9.35am |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
If you think Tony, the EU and immigration have accelerated the increasing trend of people being left behind, just wait until automation really kicks in. Makes Brexit seem irrelevant in comparison. Game over for the majority of the traditional labour market and working class employment. Which makes you wonder why they did and still are increasing the population when everyone knows automization will kick in one day. No more moving to Britain to be an uber driver
No more delivery driverers with drone technology, Amazon not only can avoid uk tax but save on wages So why on earth are we importing more people??
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| Midlands Eagle 20 Jan 19 9.35am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I will never support that. And that's why I voted Brexit and why if we had another vote I would vote Brexit again and I believe would so many millions of others
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