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Badger11 Beckenham 18 Jan 19 9.06am | |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Well we do accept what industry leaders tell us since they are at the coal face and they know how their business works I find it a bit ridiculous you saying all these company directors are liars as if there is some sort of pact they concucted to spin on it I suppose your turn to people for truth must be Boris, Farage and JRM? Cos JRM knows far more about Jaguar LR than the boss of the company of course Perhaps you could counter this by showing us the positive reports of companies queuing up and chomping at the bit waiting for brexit to happen where they will thrive? Edited by Pussay Patrol (18 Jan 2019 8.41am) I never said all directors are liars I said you should take what they say with a pinch of salt. We have already had the discussion about Jaguar I was not quoting Farage or JRM in which case you would have a point. I was quoting industry experts. You are correct I haven't seen a queue of companies to say that Brexit is great why would they? We will be cutting them off from an endless supply of cheap labour so of course they are not happy. However successful companies adapt or they go to the wall that is the nature of capitalism. I expect they will continue to grumble have you ever met a happy farmer or taxi driver. I will not vote Remain to keep multi nationals happy.
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Badger11 Beckenham 18 Jan 19 9.18am | |
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Originally posted by Rubin
The text from the link. Worth posting here for those that don't do Twitter. The fact that a large number of MPs don't get this is highly concerning: I have been rebutting the case for a so-called “People’s Vote” on Twitter for some time and thought it might be useful to draw the points together in a single thread. First, the name. It’s dumb. What they really mean is, a second vote because we lost the first one. We had a people’s vote already. Who do they think voted last time, fridge magnets? Anyway… the so-called People’s Vote campaign doesn’t really want another vote - it wants another answer. It is entirely about seeking to stop Brexit. It is unpleasant to see people pretending to be defenders of democracy whilst they try to stymie the result of the biggest vote about anything in our country. The so-called People’s Vote campaign is simply a device to get their way having lost the vote, which they can’t accept. “No really, it’s all absolutely about my newly aroused passion for defending the democratic process”, says the continuity remainer. If they’re honest, campaigners for a so-called People’s Vote couldn’t care less about democracy. It’s about getting a different result. If they could just stop Brexit by pressing a button they’d press it. As I say, 2nd vote just device to get their way despite having lost. The obvious parallel is Gina Miller’s legal case, which wasn’t to do with Brexit & was just about seeing that Parliament had due process, until she lost and Parliament had said due process and Brexit continued, at which point her campaign predictably WAS about Brexit after all. The talk of democracy is just a pretext. As is the “now we have more facts” line. They’ll run any of them: give them another pretext to mask the fact that the so-called People’s Vote is about getting their way despite losing the referendum, & they’ll take that new one too. Anyway, what on earth would actually happen? Imagine we had 2nd vote. Obviously this never ending parade of votes would be absurd but the only people who really *couldn’t* deny the legitimacy of that next vote on remaining would be those campaigning for a so-called People’s Vote now. Or perhaps they’d dismiss such calls as the EU won 2nd time round. Really it just goes to show that the so called People’s Vote is simply a device to facilitate an environment in which those who could never accept that their side lost the referendum have their views prevail, whilst still getting to pretend to believe in democracy. “You’re afraid of the result! You’re frit!” [Remainers love using a Scottish word Thatcher liked] “No, seriously -“ says the so-called People’s Vote campaigner - “seriously, the second referendum will be totally binding. We will absolutely respect that decision. Even if we lose. It’s totally different to the last referendum, you see, because - because -“ Moreover, I’m “frit” of the principle we'd set: in which we have 2nd vote because you didn’t get your way. That we don’t even implement results of something before voting on it if the right people oppose it, militate against it, get luvvies & former PMs to band together & so on. In sum, the Continuity Remain campaign position now is What do they say to justify this - on the face of it - absurd idea? “The result was narrow” We accept narrow results as decisive in our country – ask those with the Welsh Assembly. Moreover, it was a margin of more than a million in the largest vote we’ve ever had on anything. It wasn’t narrow. “You wouldn’t have accepted the result the other way around” “We didn’t know what Brexit meant” And now we hit the dregs. “Half of the Leave majority are dead” Hang on. What did you say? These are people you’re talking about. A generation we might think has contributed hugely to our country and, if they did indeed lean so strongly towards Leave, perhaps we might think that they did it for their children and grandchildren. Good point what does Remain mean. I wonder if you got a group of Remainers together would they all agree? Does Remain mean: Carry on as before - In practice this means fighting the EU every time they propose closer integration. We are the obnoxious guest at the party everyone hopes will just shut up or leave. Embrace the EU - As an argument this makes sense, ditch the pound, adopt shengen and work with our EU brothers on closer political alignment. I can see the logic of this even though its not for me. Something else? I suspect the answer from the Remainers would be all three.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 18 Jan 19 9.28am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
You haven't understood my argument! It is Parliament's duty to decide because referendums have no legal status in the UK. They made a commitment to honour the result and enacted legislation as a consequence. If however they now conclude that circumstances demand further action it is within their power to pass new legislation, and/or to hold a new referendum. This has nothing to do with the fact "it didn't go my way". If we had voted to remain I can hardly imagine the hardline anti EU mob staying quiet for long. Farage was demanding another referendum before the votes were counted in 2016. This is about the sovereignty of Parliament. However to get them out of the current impasse a new referendum looks increasingly likely. Oh it is and everyone is being found out.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 18 Jan 19 9.31am | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Good point what does Remain mean. I wonder if you got a group of Remainers together would they all agree? Does Remain mean: Carry on as before - In practice this means fighting the EU every time they propose closer integration. We are the obnoxious guest at the party everyone hopes will just shut up or leave. Embrace the EU - As an argument this makes sense, ditch the pound, adopt shengen and work with our EU brothers on closer political alignment. I can see the logic of this even though its not for me. Something else? I suspect the answer from the Remainers would be all three. The pr&ts on the street that say we should stay and reform it really shouldn’t be on tv or let out of the house.
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Pussay Patrol 18 Jan 19 9.46am | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
The pr&ts on the street that say we should stay and reform it really shouldn’t be on tv or let out of the house. Whatever you may think of the remain voices they speak for the good of country, most of the prominent voices for leave have ulterior motives, JRM for example will have his hedge funds set up to gain from any fallout and as a millionaire will be insulated
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Midlands Eagle 18 Jan 19 10.04am | |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Whatever you may think of the remain voices they speak for the good of country, most of the prominent voices for leave have ulterior motives, JRM for example will have his hedge funds set up to gain from any fallout and as a millionaire will be insulated What an absolute load of shyte
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 18 Jan 19 10.06am | |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Whatever you may think of the remain voices they speak for the good of country, most of the prominent voices for leave have ulterior motives, JRM for example will have his hedge funds set up to gain from any fallout and as a millionaire will be insulated The EU refuses to be reformed. We have a 7% vote, which is pretty meaningless how they all gang together when they want something to happen. And it depends on what you refer to as good. Good for who? Them probably. Those who do not see or experience the negatives of EU rule.
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Midlands Eagle 18 Jan 19 10.09am | |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
I suppose your turn to people for truth must be Boris, Farage and JRM? Cos JRM knows far more about Jaguar LR than the boss of the company of course If the leader of Jaguar Land Rover knows so much about how their business works how come they are still manufacturing huge old diesels that nobody wants to buy. JLR are cutting loads of jobs to trim costs primarily because they are selling cars that people don't want to countries that no longer want to buy new cars. They chucked the magic word Brexit into their press release just to keep foolish people like yourself happy who believe that every negative thing is Brexit related
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Spiderman Horsham 18 Jan 19 10.15am | |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Whatever you may think of the remain voices they speak for the good of country, most of the prominent voices for leave have ulterior motives, JRM for example will have his hedge funds set up to gain from any fallout and as a millionaire will be insulated People like Tony Blair!! Do me a favour
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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 18 Jan 19 10.51am | |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
If the leader of Jaguar Land Rover knows so much about how their business works how come they are still manufacturing huge old diesels that nobody wants to buy. That did not matter until May's government did a massive U-turn on diesels, for the 15 years prior to that we were told that they were better for the environment. Nowadays, modern diesels are not the issue but those who drive clapped out old cars. After all if you want a Land Rover don't want the extra torque? As for Jaguar, until May's announcement sales were growing, when I look around I see loads of F-pace SUVs and XFs, but now all car sales are falling. Edited by pefwin (18 Jan 2019 10.54am)
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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 18 Jan 19 10.57am | |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Whatever you may think of the remain voices they speak for the good of country, most of the prominent voices for leave have ulterior motives, JRM for example will have his hedge funds set up to gain from any fallout and as a millionaire will be insulated as they are based in the EU now.
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Midlands Eagle 18 Jan 19 11.11am | |
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Originally posted by pefwin
That did not matter until May's government did a massive U-turn on diesels, for the 15 years prior to that we were told that they were better for the environment. Nowadays, modern diesels are not the issue but those who drive clapped out old cars. After all if you want a Land Rover don't want the extra torque? As for Jaguar, until May's announcement sales were growing, when I look around I see loads of F-pace SUVs and XFs, but now all car sales are falling. I think that you'll find it was Pussay's mates in the EU that put the mockers on diesels forcing all car manufacturers to make their diesels Euro 6 compliant. JLR had been selling cars that didn't meet the desired specs so had to design and build a more modern unit whilst the good old German lads just developed software to cheat the laws
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