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Beanyboysmd 04 Dec 19 5.36pm
You really need to persuade people with what your party will do in charge, not deliberately misinterpret the opposition and then point out the flaws in the oppositions deliberately misinterpreted plan. If your party's intentions aren't enough to win people over, your party isn't good enough. I only mention it because I might have seen one or two examples of it on here!!!
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04 Dec 19 5.36pm

You really need to persuade people with what your party will do in charge, not deliberately misinterpret the opposition and then point out the flaws in the oppositions deliberately misinterpreted plan.

If your party's intentions aren't enough to win people over, your party isn't good enough. I only mention it because I might have seen one or two examples of it on here!!!

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Beanyboysmd 04 Dec 19 5.53pm
Originally posted by dynamicdick Lets make it absolutely clear, it is essential for the future of this Country that there is a landslide Tory victory so that the dithering ends on Brexit and as Johnson rightly says it must be done.Secondly a hung Parliament would undoubtedly see Comrade Corbyn as PM and if that being the case then businesses may as well close the door as will the top earners (5%) in this Country who contribute 50% of the wealth. We will be bankrupt as a nation as CC will give everything we have got away and look to the then departed 5% for the tax revenue in true Marxist style. The Unions will run the Country and the little t***s who have now registered to vote and no doubt with a 'red' cross in the ballot box will have their allowances reduced to '0' by the Bank of Mum & Dad. How anyone can even consider voting Labour is utterly beyond me and for Heseltine and Blair to encourage people to vote 'tactically' defies belief as this will yet again let in the Marxists and their Momentum storm troopers. For our futures it can only be Boris and I am convinced that it will be as there is widespread resentment of democracy not being followed with the Brexit vote. This Country needs strong leadership that embraces discipline, decision and direction with the latter leading to prosperity and long term! Pure unrefined Tory fan fiction. Boris Johnson is a liar who repeatedly lies constantly about everything from trivial to fundamentally major things. He was put in power by his peers for one purpose, to beat Corbyn. He has no leadership, he has just been put in to win this election and he is frankly so incompetent that he looks like he might balls that up to the most unpopular Labour leader in decades. Whatever Johnson has you believing, he is probably lying, he is usually lying, you know he is lying but you are clinging on for dear life in the hope that he just happens to be telling the truth about the one thing you want him to do. If he loses, you were wrong to have faith in him and if he wins, I can guarantee you are in for a very nasty shock when it turns out that he told one lie more than you thought he was. PS: Not a Labour supporter
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04 Dec 19 5.53pm

Originally posted by dynamicdick

Lets make it absolutely clear, it is essential for the future of this Country that there is a landslide Tory victory so that the dithering ends on Brexit and as Johnson rightly says it must be done.Secondly a hung Parliament would undoubtedly see Comrade Corbyn as PM and if that being the case then businesses may as well close the door as will the top earners (5%) in this Country who contribute 50% of the wealth.
We will be bankrupt as a nation as CC will give everything we have got away and look to the then departed 5% for the tax revenue in true Marxist style.
The Unions will run the Country and the little t***s who have now registered to vote and no doubt with a 'red' cross in the ballot box will have their allowances reduced to '0' by the Bank of Mum & Dad.
How anyone can even consider voting Labour is utterly beyond me and for Heseltine and Blair to encourage people to vote 'tactically' defies belief as this will yet again let in the Marxists and their Momentum storm troopers.
For our futures it can only be Boris and I am convinced that it will be as there is widespread resentment of democracy not being followed with the Brexit vote.
This Country needs strong leadership that embraces discipline, decision and direction with the latter leading to prosperity and long term!

Pure unrefined Tory fan fiction.
Boris Johnson is a liar who repeatedly lies constantly about everything from trivial to fundamentally major things. He was put in power by his peers for one purpose, to beat Corbyn. He has no leadership, he has just been put in to win this election and he is frankly so incompetent that he looks like he might balls that up to the most unpopular Labour leader in decades.
Whatever Johnson has you believing, he is probably lying, he is usually lying, you know he is lying but you are clinging on for dear life in the hope that he just happens to be telling the truth about the one thing you want him to do.

If he loses, you were wrong to have faith in him and if he wins, I can guarantee you are in for a very nasty shock when it turns out that he told one lie more than you thought he was.

PS: Not a Labour supporter

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 04 Dec 19 5.59pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays All this middle class socialism love. It's kind of amusing.....I kind of want to see a Corbyn government just to hear this lot squeal two years later. There is a position that exists between full blown Tory propaganda and socialism love - it’s quite a broad one as well.
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

All this middle class socialism love.

It's kind of amusing.....I kind of want to see a Corbyn government just to hear this lot squeal two years later.

There is a position that exists between full blown Tory propaganda and socialism love - it’s quite a broad one as well.

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Stirlingsays 04 Dec 19 6.14pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow There is a position that exists between full blown Tory propaganda and socialism love - it’s quite a broad one as well. Yeah, but the problem me old mucker is....that's your choice. And as for this Tory lie stuff...perhaps....but we have just been subjected to Labour spending promises that have to go down as the biggest political whoppers I've ever heard.....Just directly lying to people. Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Dec 2019 6.14pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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04 Dec 19 6.14pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

There is a position that exists between full blown Tory propaganda and socialism love - it’s quite a broad one as well.

Yeah, but the problem me old mucker is....that's your choice.

And as for this Tory lie stuff...perhaps....but we have just been subjected to Labour spending promises that have to go down as the biggest political whoppers I've ever heard.....Just directly lying to people.

Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Dec 2019 6.14pm)

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Invalid user 2019 04 Dec 19 6.19pm
Originally posted by jeeagles Saw a video last night where a woman was told it cost ,000 to have a baby in america. She seemed shocked. The video faild to report how much each of these procedures would cost the tax payer under the NHS and what the quality and the availability of the service was like. There was a big fuss in the comments about people calling uber's to get to emergency wards because Ambulance call outs cost too much... if you can get an uber, you dont need an ambulance. Also forgot to mention that tax in the states is half what it is here! The NHS has turned into a bureaucratic regime, the funding mechanism isn't working, people arent getting the service they need. But it's still blindly supported. As someone hoping for a Conservative majority to move this endless conversation on beyond Brexit, points beyond the echo chamber should still factor in. To finally get control of immigration policy, there are certain trade offs that come with going it alone and rejigging of trade agreements. The NHS is something we need to be very careful about protecting as free at the point of service, and in terms of combatting the very real position that we're in, where pharmaceutical companies will see this as a situation where they attempt to turn the drug cost screw in this regard [Link] That's common sense, and look no further from the US for hyper inflated drug and procedure costs. The NHS has its faults but it's a safety net that we need to protect no matter its imperfections.
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04 Dec 19 6.19pm

Originally posted by jeeagles

Saw a video last night where a woman was told it cost ,000 to have a baby in america. She seemed shocked. The video faild to report how much each of these procedures would cost the tax payer under the NHS and what the quality and the availability of the service was like.

There was a big fuss in the comments about people calling uber's to get to emergency wards because Ambulance call outs cost too much... if you can get an uber, you dont need an ambulance.

Also forgot to mention that tax in the states is half what it is here!

The NHS has turned into a bureaucratic regime, the funding mechanism isn't working, people arent getting the service they need. But it's still blindly supported.

As someone hoping for a Conservative majority to move this endless conversation on beyond Brexit, points beyond the echo chamber should still factor in. To finally get control of immigration policy, there are certain trade offs that come with going it alone and rejigging of trade agreements.

The NHS is something we need to be very careful about protecting as free at the point of service, and in terms of combatting the very real position that we're in, where pharmaceutical companies will see this as a situation where they attempt to turn the drug cost screw in this regard [Link] That's common sense, and look no further from the US for hyper inflated drug and procedure costs. The NHS has its faults but it's a safety net that we need to protect no matter its imperfections.

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 04 Dec 19 6.33pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Yeah, but the problem me old mucker is....that's your choice. And as for this Tory lie stuff...perhaps....but we have just been subjected to Labour spending promises that have to go down as the biggest political whoppers I've ever heard.....Just directly lying to people. Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Dec 2019 6.14pm) Don’t I bloody know it
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SE19 04 Dec 19 6.33pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yeah, but the problem me old mucker is....that's your choice.

Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Dec 2019 6.14pm)

Don’t I bloody know it

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cryrst The garden of England 04 Dec 19 6.46pm
Originally posted by DanH Spoken like a true 62 year old company director. Who can count!
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The garden of England 04 Dec 19 6.46pm

Originally posted by DanH

Spoken like a true 62 year old company director.

Who can count!

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dynamicdick Dormansland 04 Dec 19 6.50pm
Originally posted by Beanyboysmd Pure unrefined Tory fan fiction. Boris Johnson is a liar who repeatedly lies constantly about everything from trivial to fundamentally major things. He was put in power by his peers for one purpose, to beat Corbyn. He has no leadership, he has just been put in to win this election and he is frankly so incompetent that he looks like he might balls that up to the most unpopular Labour leader in decades. Whatever Johnson has you believing, he is probably lying, he is usually lying, you know he is lying but you are clinging on for dear life in the hope that he just happens to be telling the truth about the one thing you want him to do. If he loses, you were wrong to have faith in him and if he wins, I can guarantee you are in for a very nasty shock when it turns out that he told one lie more than you thought he was. PS: Not a Labour supporter Give me a politician that tells the truth, its ingrained in them to tell the odd porkie some more than others. The fundamentals of a Boris Johnson led Government represent what the majority of people can relate to ….security, low taxes, freedom of choice etc and not a Marxist leader supported by a hard left structure who will (and make no doubt they will) inflict hardship upon this Country that will make the austerity years feel like a tea party. Incidentally caused by an over spending Labour Government. If you have forgotten the famous Liam Byrne note left for the incoming Tory Chancellor saying 'there is no money left! Lets get back to Corbyn, the former head of MI6 said recently that if he wasn't a sitting PM he wouldn't get security clearance neither would his two closest advisors. The frightening thing is that as PM he has to be given it and then with access to highly classified information. Putin and terrorists across the World must be rubbing their hands in anticipation. For all of Boris's sometimes porkies this is a price well worth paying rather than give the keys to Corbyn. Hopefully, the message will get through to those stupid enough to even contemplate voting for him. We live in hope! As much as you obviously despise Boris is this really what you want as a non labour voter! Bring back Brolin
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Dormansland 04 Dec 19 6.50pm

Originally posted by Beanyboysmd

If he loses, you were wrong to have faith in him and if he wins, I can guarantee you are in for a very nasty shock when it turns out that he told one lie more than you thought he was.

PS: Not a Labour supporter

Give me a politician that tells the truth, its ingrained in them to tell the odd porkie some more than others. The fundamentals of a Boris Johnson led Government represent what the majority of people can relate to ….security, low taxes, freedom of choice etc and not a Marxist leader supported by a hard left structure who will (and make no doubt they will) inflict hardship upon this Country that will make the austerity years feel like a tea party. Incidentally caused by an over spending Labour Government. If you have forgotten the famous Liam Byrne note left for the incoming Tory Chancellor saying 'there is no money left!
Lets get back to Corbyn, the former head of MI6 said recently that if he wasn't a sitting PM he wouldn't get security clearance neither would his two closest advisors. The frightening thing is that as PM he has to be given it and then with access to highly classified information. Putin and terrorists across the World must be rubbing their hands in anticipation. For all of Boris's sometimes porkies this is a price well worth paying rather than give the keys to Corbyn. Hopefully, the message will get through to those stupid enough to even contemplate voting for him. We live in hope!
As much as you obviously despise Boris is this really what you want as a non labour voter!

Bring back Brolin

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dynamicdick Dormansland 04 Dec 19 6.58pm
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC Sensationalist scaremongering. For balance, I'd love to hear the same partisan take but from a Labour fanatic. No, realism and I am not a fanatic. Please by all means put the case of Labour and lets open up the debate in a constructive manner. Bring back Brolin
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Dormansland 04 Dec 19 6.58pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Sensationalist scaremongering.

For balance, I'd love to hear the same partisan take but from a Labour fanatic.

No, realism and I am not a fanatic. Please by all means put the case of Labour and lets open up the debate in a constructive manner.

Bring back Brolin

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dynamicdick Dormansland 04 Dec 19 7.01pm
Originally posted by dynamicdick No, realism and I am not a fanatic. Please by all means put the case of Labour and lets open up the debate in a constructive manner. and also...the former head of MI6 did say this. He obviously cares about the security of this Country and is someone that should be listened to, not derided. Bring back Brolin
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Dormansland 04 Dec 19 7.01pm

Originally posted by dynamicdick

No, realism and I am not a fanatic. Please by all means put the case of Labour and lets open up the debate in a constructive manner.

and also...the former head of MI6 did say this. He obviously cares about the security of this Country and is someone that should be listened to, not derided.

Bring back Brolin

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cryrst The garden of England 04 Dec 19 7.22pm
Originally posted by DanH Spoken like a true 62 year old company director. Who has employees to pay after corbyn has taxed him naked. Some people just dont get how bad it will be under labour. I sort of accepted Blair and Miliband but these new breed are f***ing out there man.
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The garden of England 04 Dec 19 7.22pm

Originally posted by DanH

Spoken like a true 62 year old company director.

Who has employees to pay after corbyn has taxed him naked.
Some people just dont get how bad it will be under labour.
I sort of accepted Blair and Miliband but these new breed are f***ing out there man.

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dynamicdick Dormansland 04 Dec 19 7.29pm
Originally posted by cryrst Who has employees to pay after corbyn has taxed him naked. Some people just dont get how bad it will be under labour. I sort of accepted Blair and Miliband but these new breed are f***ing out there man. and so nice and believable! Bring back Brolin
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Dormansland 04 Dec 19 7.29pm

Originally posted by cryrst

and so nice and believable!

Bring back Brolin

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