Stirling, aren't you being a little unreasonable here?

Would you be taking the same line if it was an article about shenanigans/policy within the Labour party on a "hot" issue?

A perfectly legitimate article in the Torygraph and bear in mind Reckless is hardly an ordinary party supporter, but a recently elected UKIP MP who stood on a UKIP policy platform and as such one of their most prominent public figures..

Not sure your point about immigrants who are legally here and repatriation works. By definition, if UKIP in a position to make Government policy, they'd pass a law making those legally here no longer legally here (after a transition period or not) and repatriate them.

ps.Yes,who are "you lot" out of interest?

Edited by legaleagle (25 Nov 2014 9.27pm)

Matt, the law is whatever it happens to be at any one time, ie if parliament passed a law that people lawfully here could be repatriated, since the law would have changed, it would be lawful. Leave to remain, as its called, has always been subject to certain caveats anyway.

At present, any such attempt to implement such a change in the law would likely flounder because the Courts would hold that its incompatible with EU rules and the Human Rights Act/European Convention on Human Rights, the latter two bête noirs of the right.

But, not unreasonable to think if UKIP were in a position to make Government policy that we would have left the EU, revoked the Human Rights Act and derogated from the European Convention.

By the way,I don't think its just Labour that is held in contempt, its all of the established parties. What is interesting is that polls indicate 70% of UKIP voters support renationalisation of certain industries. But, immigration/fear of the alien "outsider" is the big issue that people alight upon as the primary source of their economic and social woes. Its happened here historically before ie re Jewish immigration 100 years ago and we now see that was tosh in terms of the real reasons for economic and social woes at that time, and in other countries in the 20th century. It would be good and interesting to see Labour actually tackle that issue head on in a positive way, but I doubt they will. I would hate to see Labour tack rightwards on immigration to get votes. If they lose votes as a result, so be it. That approach is more in keeping with David "we are just like UKIP and agree with them but vote for us" Cameron's recent tacks to the further right.

You characterise strong immigration concerns , I think, as a legitimate major concern (as opposed to an expressed concern of many). I characterise it as a diversion from the underlying issues why people's situations makes them feel feel dissatisfied.

We will have to disagree about the Telegraph article. I suspect if it was a similar article about Labour inconsistencies etc, you too might not be adverse to viewing it in a positive light?

1. I believe your comments about my post reflect a opinion you are entitled to hold but which objectively adds very little to the debate. That's a pity. It would have been interesting to see you actually engage with the points I made.

2. I believe we were seeing a disillusionment by many with all the established parties which (though its been growing for perhaps 30 years) is greater than at any time in the past 75years.

3.I believe many people feel immigration is a major problem and an important reason for their woes

4. I believe immigration is not the underlying reason for the economic and social woes faced by many.

5.I believe UKIP's politicians have a great deal in common with the politicians of the established parties and though seemingly offering a panacea to many, its an illusion.

6.I believe 6 beliefs are more than enough at this time of the day!

Edited by legaleagle (26 Nov 2014 10.00pm)

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Earning his corn as usual. Our Nige doesn't turn up for his own bill!

UKIP leader Nigel Farage didn’t even bother turning up for his own European Parliament motion today — an attempt to censure European Commission president over his links to tax avoidance.

In 2013 the UKIP leader was exposed for setting up an Isle of Man-based tax avoidance scheme, Farage Family Education Trust 1654, with the express intention of avoiding inheritance tax on his estate.

Edited by nickgusset (27 Nov 2014 10.39pm)

Tax avoidance = legal

Tax evasion = illegal

They are all as bad as each other, but given the option I think we'd all avoid paying what is a very ghastly tax IMO. To be taxed on wealth that has already been taxed upon really does not sit right with me.

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