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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 17 Jan 19 10.14pm | |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
should we get the champagne on ice? Sparkling British from the North Downs perhaps???
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becky over the moon 17 Jan 19 10.18pm | |
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Originally posted by pefwin
Sparkling British from the North Downs perhaps??? Take your choice........
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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 17 Jan 19 10.22pm | |
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I used to like the one from the Iron Railway vineyard grown at the top of the M23, but sent to a bigger grower for vinting.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 17 Jan 19 10.35pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Ooooooh! You really got me with that one. When you vote in a one off referendum, you don't get the chance to change your mind. That is rather obvious. Christ, even with an election you usually have to wait 5 years. Just tell me what you would say if we voted Leave again in your daft second referendum. Did you happen to see the interview that Blair had with Andrew Neil tonight? He was arguing some not so dissimilar points to my own and was asked this question. His response was very certain. He said that whatever the result was would have to be accepted by everyone. His reasoning, as far I can recall it, was that we all know much more about the subject and can now make an informed decision, which in 2016 we could not. Alongside this he said was that a line needs to be drawn or we will be debating this for years to come. I think this is right. It would obviously, with hindsight, have been better to have announced in 2016 that we would hold a confirmatory referendum when the terms were known, should the decision have been to leave. However, neither that result nor the current mess was anticipated.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 17 Jan 19 10.51pm | |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
From the link that you kindly provided "A spokesperson for the company said the closure of the factory would have happened regardless of Brexit," I'm getting a bit fed up with your constant stream of lies as this is the second time today that you have insisted that something is a direct result of Brexit when it clearly isn't Caught in the act.
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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 17 Jan 19 11.01pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Did you happen to see the interview that Blair had with Andrew Neil tonight? He was arguing some not so dissimilar points to my own and was asked this question. His response was very certain. He said that whatever the result was would have to be accepted by everyone. His reasoning, as far I can recall it, was that we all know much more about the subject and can now make an informed decision, which in 2016 we could not. Alongside this he said was that a line needs to be drawn or we will be debating this for years to come. I think this is right. It would obviously, with hindsight, have been better to have announced in 2016 that we would hold a confirmatory referendum when the terms were known, should the decision have been to leave. However, neither that result nor the current mess was anticipated. As far as i'm concerned the only place Blair should be speaking from is the Hague as a war criminal..
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Mr Palaceman 17 Jan 19 11.14pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
What a short-sighted way of dismissing a reasoned argument on what might now happen just because you are scared that the people might have changed their minds. Have you changed your mind? Didn't think so.. Also your "reasoned argument" is fatally floored, in that you keep insisting that it is for Parliment to decide but it is not. There was a referendum. That it when Parliment give the choice to the people. It was for the people to decide and they did. However there are people like yourself that will only accept a vote if it goes their way. I can think of a few tin pot countries where the govenment use the same idea to stay in power for decades. Is that now the UK as well?
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davenotamonkey 17 Jan 19 11.24pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Well, I've read quite a lot of what you've put up.....You make the discordant argument that we apparently shouldn't be able to influence parliamentarians with referendum results....However, MPs are only in parliament because they won voting contests.....So essentially you are picking and choosing what parts of democracy you like and....oh look....it appears it's just those parts that suit your own politics. I wonder if there had been a referendum on whether we should have entered into Blair's Iraqi war and it came back 'no'.....I wonder if you would have made the same argument. He conveniently ignores the fact that more people voted to leave the EU in 2016 than they did to join the EC in 1975. This is a good twitter thread on the democratic gymnastic these people go through in order to justify voiding a mandate. [Tweet Link]
I personally want MORE referenda. I think they are fantastic, transfers responsibility to an electorate that do not live on 4-year election cycles, and frankly would bring a more consensual politics to the table. I say this as someone with close Swiss friends (on both sides of the spectrum), through discussion on how they reach their decisions. I would say the electorate are as a result a lot more educated on the issues, and a lot less tribal. I think we can all agree that is better than what we have.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 17 Jan 19 11.24pm | |
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Originally posted by Jimenez
As far as i'm concerned the only place Blair should be speaking from is the Hague as a war criminal.. But he’d speak to May right now. Funny watching Diet Abbott telling all on QT that May has written to Corbyn and Corbyn back to May etc. Fiona Bruce asks why don’t they just talk. Diet Abbott couldn’t reply. Embarrassing.
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Hrolf The Ganger 18 Jan 19 12.43am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Did you happen to see the interview that Blair had with Andrew Neil tonight? He was arguing some not so dissimilar points to my own and was asked this question. His response was very certain. He said that whatever the result was would have to be accepted by everyone. His reasoning, as far I can recall it, was that we all know much more about the subject and can now make an informed decision, which in 2016 we could not. Alongside this he said was that a line needs to be drawn or we will be debating this for years to come. I think this is right. It would obviously, with hindsight, have been better to have announced in 2016 that we would hold a confirmatory referendum when the terms were known, should the decision have been to leave. However, neither that result nor the current mess was anticipated.
You both want to remain at any cost. Fine. Now please stop boring me with your deluded logic.
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davenotamonkey 18 Jan 19 1.23am | |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Quoted from the article: Company says Brexit would have been factor in closure of Glemsford site in Suffolk you're in denial "would have happened regardless of Brexit" You are a liar. Attachment: liar.png (52.65Kb)
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Pussay Patrol 18 Jan 19 5.55am | |
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Originally posted by Mr Palaceman
Have you changed your mind? Didn't think so.. Also your "reasoned argument" is fatally floored, in that you keep insisting that it is for Parliment to decide but it is not. There was a referendum. That it when Parliment give the choice to the people. It was for the people to decide and they did. However there are people like yourself that will only accept a vote if it goes their way. I can think of a few tin pot countries where the govenment use the same idea to stay in power for decades. Is that now the UK as well? I wonder how many people thought Brexit was a bad idea in 2016 but today think it's a great idea? Not many i'll wager, but there are a very large amount of people who voted leave who have realised their grave error, the lies they were fed and would vote remain
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