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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 17 Jan 19 1.39pm
Originally posted by davenotamonkey Would you like to know what impact the EU Large Combustion Plant Directive (LCPD) had on UK energy generation? I doubt it, but I will tell you. Firstly: a directive is a law from Brussels that MUST be implemented into the statute books here. Parliament CANNOT say no. They must pass legislation that conforms. So, if it's piece of s* legislation, then it's a question of "no, we don't want to get shafted from behind", it's a question of "can you use some lube?" Right. At the time, the UK grid had about 80GW power generation, and a demand of 63GW - so 79% usage. The LCPD forced closure of (at least) 9 coal-fired plants. I calculated a total of 12GW from those. It also closed (at least) 3 oil plants, losing 3.5GW. That's a total of 15.5GW production LOST. That takes us to 64.5GW of power generation, or 97% capacity, based (naively) on the demand not increasing with population and rampant immigration. My figures are much lower than those stated here: [Link] How do we make up this shortfall? Ah yes, expensive, inefficient wind turbines. Typical yield is 3MW/sq km. So, if we wanted to plug the shortfall with turbines: 15,500MW / 3 = 5167 sq. kms That is well over 3x the area of London. So we need to either mass-import energy (oh - EDF is owned by the French government you say, really? How convenient), fill the country with wind turbines, or ask very nicely if the EU will allow us to build nuclear power stations: [Link] The EU is a f*ing disaster for our country. It is a disaster for industry (requiring cheap power), it is a disaster for sufficiency, it is a disaster for democracy. I'll take no lectures from EU supporters on energy prices, nor "Brexit-did-itisms" where there is no evidence the decision was influenced by us daring to leave the mafia club. Not often we agree sort of agree but this is nothing to do with the EU. I don't think it is a question of "lube". Energy production has been messed around with politically since the 80s vis a vis production methods. if anything with a decent modern mix we could be a net exporter of power with a proper government. "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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Where you have to have an English ... 17 Jan 19 1.39pm

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

Would you like to know what impact the EU Large Combustion Plant Directive (LCPD) had on UK energy generation?

I doubt it, but I will tell you. Firstly: a directive is a law from Brussels that MUST be implemented into the statute books here. Parliament CANNOT say no. They must pass legislation that conforms. So, if it's piece of s*** legislation, then it's a question of "no, we don't want to get shafted from behind", it's a question of "can you use some lube?"

Right.

At the time, the UK grid had about 80GW power generation, and a demand of 63GW - so 79% usage.

The LCPD forced closure of (at least) 9 coal-fired plants. I calculated a total of 12GW from those. It also closed (at least) 3 oil plants, losing 3.5GW. That's a total of 15.5GW production LOST.

That takes us to 64.5GW of power generation, or 97% capacity, based (naively) on the demand not increasing with population and rampant immigration.

My figures are much lower than those stated here:

[Link]

How do we make up this shortfall? Ah yes, expensive, inefficient wind turbines. Typical yield is 3MW/sq km. So, if we wanted to plug the shortfall with turbines:

15,500MW / 3 = 5167 sq. kms

That is well over 3x the area of London.

So we need to either mass-import energy (oh - EDF is owned by the French government you say, really? How convenient), fill the country with wind turbines, or ask very nicely if the EU will allow us to build nuclear power stations:

[Link]

The EU is a f***ing disaster for our country. It is a disaster for industry (requiring cheap power), it is a disaster for sufficiency, it is a disaster for democracy.

I'll take no lectures from EU supporters on energy prices, nor "Brexit-did-itisms" where there is no evidence the decision was influenced by us daring to leave the mafia club.

Not often we agree sort of agree but this is nothing to do with the EU.

I don't think it is a question of "lube".

Energy production has been messed around with politically since the 80s vis a vis production methods. if anything with a decent modern mix we could be a net exporter of power with a proper government.

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 17 Jan 19 1.42pm
Originally posted by davenotamonkey EDF is owned by the French government sold by the milk snatcher, no idea why we got rid of some of the strategically important infrastructure. Edited by pefwin (17 Jan 2019 1.43pm) "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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Where you have to have an English ... 17 Jan 19 1.42pm

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

EDF is owned by the French government

sold by the milk snatcher, no idea why we got rid of some of the strategically important infrastructure.

Edited by pefwin (17 Jan 2019 1.43pm)

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 17 Jan 19 1.48pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle It just goes to show what little grasp of business or even reality you have if you honestly think that a decision to write off sums of money of this magnitude is taken overnight or 2 years, my view to do Brexit properly, to build up what we require and succeed ( or be able to thrive with a no Brexit deal scenario) would take circa a decade, and proper planning, and we would have wasted 2 years with some dodgy right wing selfish " i am the prime minister" woman. "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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Where you have to have an English ... 17 Jan 19 1.48pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

It just goes to show what little grasp of business or even reality you have if you honestly think that a decision to write off sums of money of this magnitude is taken overnight

or 2 years, my view to do Brexit properly, to build up what we require and succeed ( or be able to thrive with a no Brexit deal scenario) would take circa a decade, and proper planning, and we would have wasted 2 years with some dodgy right wing selfish " i am the prime minister" woman.

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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Midlands Eagle 17 Jan 19 1.49pm
Originally posted by pefwin no idea why we got rid of some of the strategically important infrastructure. Same reason as Prudence flogged off the gold reserves
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Originally posted by pefwin

no idea why we got rid of some of the strategically important infrastructure.

Same reason as Prudence flogged off the gold reserves

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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 17 Jan 19 1.51pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle Same reason as Prudence flogged off the gold reserves to help the Midlands? of course, sorry to support short term Sntacher tax cuts in the 80s, when she had run out of North Sea oil money. Edited by pefwin (17 Jan 2019 1.53pm) "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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Where you have to have an English ... 17 Jan 19 1.51pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Same reason as Prudence flogged off the gold reserves

to help the Midlands?

of course, sorry to support short term Sntacher tax cuts in the 80s, when she had run out of North Sea oil money.

Edited by pefwin (17 Jan 2019 1.53pm)

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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steeleye20 Croydon 17 Jan 19 1.56pm
Originally posted by pefwin to help the Midlands? of course, sorry to support short term Sntacher tax cuts in the 80s, when she had run out of North Sea oil money. Edited by pefwin (17 Jan 2019 1.53pm) I read somewhere that North Sea oil is now chinese. Along with the far side of the moon, of course.
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Croydon 17 Jan 19 1.56pm

Originally posted by pefwin

to help the Midlands?

of course, sorry to support short term Sntacher tax cuts in the 80s, when she had run out of North Sea oil money.

Edited by pefwin (17 Jan 2019 1.53pm)

I read somewhere that North Sea oil is now chinese.

Along with the far side of the moon, of course.

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Pussay Patrol 17 Jan 19 2.21pm
Originally posted by davenotamonkey Would you like to know what impact the EU Large * legislation, then it's a question of "no, we don't want to get shafted from behind", it's a question of "can you use some lube?" Right. by us daring to leave the mafia club. OK but if we are to thrive come March 30th, a mere 70 odd days away, Hitachi would have stuck around wouldn't they? Maybe Jacob Rees mogg instead of waffling to anyone that'll listen about how great the UK will become could've intervened ? Or maybe Hitachi like most intelligent people realise its utter hogwash Edited by Pussay Patrol (17 Jan 2019 2.22pm) Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah
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17 Jan 19 2.21pm

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

Would you like to know what impact the EU Large * legislation, then it's a question of "no, we don't want to get shafted from behind", it's a question of "can you use some lube?"

Right.
by us daring to leave the mafia club.

OK but if we are to thrive come March 30th, a mere 70 odd days away, Hitachi would have stuck around wouldn't they?

Maybe Jacob Rees mogg instead of waffling to anyone that'll listen about how great the UK will become could've intervened ? Or maybe Hitachi like most intelligent people realise its utter hogwash

Edited by Pussay Patrol (17 Jan 2019 2.22pm)

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steeleye20 Croydon 17 Jan 19 3.17pm
Around 3.3 million viewers were watching BBC One’s coverage of Derby vs Southampton at 10pm as both sides pushed for a winner, with the prime minister attracting a mere 2.5 million for live coverage of her address to the nation on BBC Two. Much maligned beeb, mainly on here, certainly got their priorities right on this occasion !!!! Those viewers misguided enough to listen to May's verbiage would have found out nothing that they didn't know already..........
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Croydon 17 Jan 19 3.17pm

Around 3.3 million viewers were watching BBC One’s coverage of Derby vs Southampton at 10pm as both sides pushed for a winner, with the prime minister attracting a mere 2.5 million for live coverage of her address to the nation on BBC Two.

Much maligned beeb, mainly on here, certainly got their priorities right on this occasion !!!!

Those viewers misguided enough to listen to May's verbiage would have found out nothing that they didn't know already..........

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chris123 hove actually 17 Jan 19 3.37pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Around 3.3 million viewers were watching BBC One’s coverage of Derby vs Southampton at 10pm as both sides pushed for a winner, with the prime minister attracting a mere 2.5 million for live coverage of her address to the nation on BBC Two. Much maligned beeb, mainly on here, certainly got their priorities right on this occasion !!!! Those viewers misguided enough to listen to May's verbiage would have found out nothing that they didn't know already.......... I listened on the wireless!
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hove actually 17 Jan 19 3.37pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Much maligned beeb, mainly on here, certainly got their priorities right on this occasion !!!!

Those viewers misguided enough to listen to May's verbiage would have found out nothing that they didn't know already..........

I listened on the wireless!

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crystal balls The Garden of Earthly Delights 17 Jan 19 4.02pm
Originally posted by silvertop It's also surreal given she is Remain and he is as ardently Brexit as Farage. [Link] Edited by crystal balls (17 Jan 2019 4.04pm) I used to be immortal
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