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Stirlingsays 11 Feb 24 9.14pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Maybe people in high places take a more pragmatic view. For example, we effectively saved those of the Jewish faith from virtual extinction by allowing some of them to settle in the West and by defeating Hitler. Following that, we allowed them to settle in what is now Israel. All things you could describe as humanitarian, and this is where it has brought us. Now we are faced with terrible suffering and loss of life on both sides of the current clusterfuXk with the formerly oppressed now seemingly the oppressors. Helping the Jews was clearly the right thing to do morally, as would be trying to save Palestinian children, but what will be the ultimate result if we stop Israel from achieving their obvious objectives either by persuasion or simply by removing support? Will it just lead to more decades of fighting? What if we continue to support Israel? Will this lead to Gazans ultimately fleeing and ending up in Europe? Will we have our own little sectarian civil war kicking off at some point if we accept Gazan Muslims as refugees? Is that something that Washington would happily inflict on Europe for the sake of the 'bigger picture'? I guess that this is a long winded way of saying that the road to hell is paved with good intentions. I'm not sure if there is a clear right or moral answer here. Yeah, I'd agree with a lot of that. Rich Jewish activist groups constantly push for immigration into Europe, are behind much of the funding of anti white minority groups and push white guilt nonsense yet want their own ethnostate in the middle east.....and create the situation where any criticism of them is called antisemitic, while if you say 'white lives matter' publicly you get sacked from your job. So while on the individual level I think Jews have made some of the best contributions out there. The guy who red pilled me the most is Jewish and most definitely not a fan of 'internationalism' with its pseudo champagne communism. As a group I could say I view them as they view us....You get what you give. However on that individual level no one.....Jew or Muslim deserves death over the sins of others.....and that's what is currently happening over there. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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11 Feb 24 9.14pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Maybe people in high places take a more pragmatic view.

For example, we effectively saved those of the Jewish faith from virtual extinction by allowing some of them to settle in the West and by defeating Hitler. Following that, we allowed them to settle in what is now Israel. All things you could describe as humanitarian, and this is where it has brought us.

Now we are faced with terrible suffering and loss of life on both sides of the current clusterfuXk with the formerly oppressed now seemingly the oppressors.

Helping the Jews was clearly the right thing to do morally, as would be trying to save Palestinian children, but what will be the ultimate result if we stop Israel from achieving their obvious objectives either by persuasion or simply by removing support? Will it just lead to more decades of fighting?

What if we continue to support Israel?
Will this lead to Gazans ultimately fleeing and ending up in Europe?
Will we have our own little sectarian civil war kicking off at some point if we accept Gazan Muslims as refugees? Is that something that Washington would happily inflict on Europe for the sake of the 'bigger picture'?

I guess that this is a long winded way of saying that the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
I'm not sure if there is a clear right or moral answer here.

Yeah, I'd agree with a lot of that.

Rich Jewish activist groups constantly push for immigration into Europe, are behind much of the funding of anti white minority groups and push white guilt nonsense yet want their own ethnostate in the middle east.....and create the situation where any criticism of them is called antisemitic, while if you say 'white lives matter' publicly you get sacked from your job.

So while on the individual level I think Jews have made some of the best contributions out there. The guy who red pilled me the most is Jewish and most definitely not a fan of 'internationalism' with its pseudo champagne communism. As a group I could say I view them as they view us....You get what you give.

However on that individual level no one.....Jew or Muslim deserves death over the sins of others.....and that's what is currently happening over there.

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georgenorman 11 Feb 24 10.08pm
At the end of the day it's who do you want to win, the Jews or the Muslims. Same with Russia and Ukraine. Edited by georgenorman (11 Feb 2024 10.12pm)
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11 Feb 24 10.08pm

At the end of the day it's who do you want to win, the Jews or the Muslims. Same with Russia and Ukraine.

Edited by georgenorman (11 Feb 2024 10.12pm)

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Stirlingsays 11 Feb 24 10.42pm
Originally posted by georgenorman At the end of the day it's who do you want to win, the Jews or the Muslims. Same with Russia and Ukraine. Edited by georgenorman (11 Feb 2024 10.12pm) Can't we just be for us? As for Russia/Ukraine....Ukraine are more European but they can't win it. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Feb 2024 10.43pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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11 Feb 24 10.42pm

Originally posted by georgenorman

At the end of the day it's who do you want to win, the Jews or the Muslims. Same with Russia and Ukraine.

Edited by georgenorman (11 Feb 2024 10.12pm)

Can't we just be for us?

As for Russia/Ukraine....Ukraine are more European but they can't win it.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Feb 2024 10.43pm)

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Stirlingsays 12 Feb 24 4.15am
Heavy military action around Rafah, Apache gunships in the air and airstrikes being conducted across the city. There are reportedly 1.4 million displaced Gazans there and the Israelis are basically going to flatten it. I won't be watching any of the footage...it's just wrong. The Arabs are very angry and pointing fingers and it's certainly true that western involvement means that its soft power is being destroyed by its 'greatest ally'. It's been clear for months that Israel intend to clear house in Gaza and make the place unliveable. Judging by noises coming out of Syria, Iran, Egypt and so on....on paper it sounds like they are preparing for war. However, that may just be for domestic consumption as Israel is a nuclear state. The world is nuts at the moment. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Feb 2024 5.13am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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12 Feb 24 4.15am

Heavy military action around Rafah, Apache gunships in the air and airstrikes being conducted across the city. There are reportedly 1.4 million displaced Gazans there and the Israelis are basically going to flatten it.

I won't be watching any of the footage...it's just wrong.

The Arabs are very angry and pointing fingers and it's certainly true that western involvement means that its soft power is being destroyed by its 'greatest ally'.

It's been clear for months that Israel intend to clear house in Gaza and make the place unliveable. Judging by noises coming out of Syria, Iran, Egypt and so on....on paper it sounds like they are preparing for war.

However, that may just be for domestic consumption as Israel is a nuclear state.

The world is nuts at the moment.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Feb 2024 5.13am)

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 12 Feb 24 4.40am
Originally posted by georgenorman At the end of the day it's who do you want to win, the Jews or the Muslims. Same with Russia and Ukraine. Edited by georgenorman (11 Feb 2024 10.12pm) That's the binary choice people are led to. There are many alternatives I disengage, I turn the page.
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Originally posted by georgenorman

At the end of the day it's who do you want to win, the Jews or the Muslims. Same with Russia and Ukraine.

Edited by georgenorman (11 Feb 2024 10.12pm)

That's the binary choice people are led to. There are many alternatives

I disengage, I turn the page.

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Matov 12 Feb 24 6.16am
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly That's the binary choice people are led to. There are many alternatives The question is just plain wrong. There are 1.8 billion Muslims in the world. There are 15.7 million Jews. Key to this all is grasping the disparity in those numbers and then the disparity in terms of power and influence. And lets not go there in terms of calorific power of natural resources. The Jews are amongst the poorest of all the global rival castles. And yet..... "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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12 Feb 24 6.16am

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

That's the binary choice people are led to. There are many alternatives

The question is just plain wrong.

There are 1.8 billion Muslims in the world.
There are 15.7 million Jews.

Key to this all is grasping the disparity in those numbers and then the disparity in terms of power and influence.

And lets not go there in terms of calorific power of natural resources. The Jews are amongst the poorest of all the global rival castles. And yet.....

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Hrolf The Ganger 12 Feb 24 9.17am
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly That's the binary choice people are led to. There are many alternatives But sadly, in the real world, we have to consider our best interests in what is essentially an East v West scenario. However much we would like to remain remote from this or be the good guys, there is no escaping the harsh realities of our strategic military priorities.
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12 Feb 24 9.17am

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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

That's the binary choice people are led to. There are many alternatives

But sadly, in the real world, we have to consider our best interests in what is essentially an East v West scenario.

However much we would like to remain remote from this or be the good guys, there is no escaping the harsh realities of our strategic military priorities.

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silvertop Portishead 12 Feb 24 9.41am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I'm hearing that the US are preparing to pull out of Iraq and Syria over the next 90 days. That might be in recognition of what's to come in Gaza making a US presence untenable there. America's greatest ally apparently.....though apart from their wealthy ethnic donors funding their politicians I'm not seeing what America gets exactly other than huge problems. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Feb 2024 6.37am) Guessing no more US bodybags and stealing Trump's isolationist rhetoric?
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Portishead 12 Feb 24 9.41am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I'm hearing that the US are preparing to pull out of Iraq and Syria over the next 90 days.

That might be in recognition of what's to come in Gaza making a US presence untenable there.

America's greatest ally apparently.....though apart from their wealthy ethnic donors funding their politicians I'm not seeing what America gets exactly other than huge problems.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Feb 2024 6.37am)

Guessing no more US bodybags and stealing Trump's isolationist rhetoric?

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georgenorman 12 Feb 24 11.58am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger But sadly, in the real world, we have to consider our best interests in what is essentially an East v West scenario. However much we would like to remain remote from this or be the good guys, there is no escaping the harsh realities of our strategic military priorities. Exactly. Edited by georgenorman (12 Feb 2024 12.25pm)
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12 Feb 24 11.58am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

But sadly, in the real world, we have to consider our best interests in what is essentially an East v West scenario.

However much we would like to remain remote from this or be the good guys, there is no escaping the harsh realities of our strategic military priorities.

Exactly.

Edited by georgenorman (12 Feb 2024 12.25pm)

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Stirlingsays 12 Feb 24 2.00pm
Originally posted by silvertop Guessing no more US bodybags and stealing Trump's isolationist rhetoric? Biden's administration is caught between their increasingly anti Israeli (I don't know how fair it is to call it antisemitic) base and their donors. They have been saying one thing while funding another, which in the modern day is harder for them to hide. US political corruption put them into this position and quite frankly it's quite scary. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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12 Feb 24 2.00pm

Originally posted by silvertop

Guessing no more US bodybags and stealing Trump's isolationist rhetoric?

Biden's administration is caught between their increasingly anti Israeli (I don't know how fair it is to call it antisemitic) base and their donors.

They have been saying one thing while funding another, which in the modern day is harder for them to hide.

US political corruption put them into this position and quite frankly it's quite scary.

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 13 Feb 24 8.42am
Any military that deliberately/indiscriminately causes civilian deaths have murdering scumbags for commanders. Causing in excess of 25,000 deaths in a few weeks is surely genocide. Denying medical aid, food and water to civilians seeking shelter because their homes are destroyed. Scummy. The UK and USA would be quick to condemn any other nation doing so. But then they're supplying the arms and denying the aid. I disengage, I turn the page.
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Any military that deliberately/indiscriminately causes civilian deaths have murdering scumbags for commanders.
Causing in excess of 25,000 deaths in a few weeks is surely genocide.
Denying medical aid, food and water to civilians seeking shelter because their homes are destroyed. Scummy.

The UK and USA would be quick to condemn any other nation doing so. But then they're supplying the arms and denying the aid.

I disengage, I turn the page.

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steeleye20 Croydon 13 Feb 24 11.33am
Originally posted by Matov The question is just plain wrong. There are 1.8 billion Muslims in the world. There are 15.7 million Jews. Key to this all is grasping the disparity in those numbers and then the disparity in terms of power and influence. And lets not go there in terms of calorific power of natural resources. The Jews are amongst the poorest of all the global rival castles. And yet..... You would think Israel would factor this in, and their geographical position surrounded by enemies, before embarking on the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians. What the vengeance will be can only be imagined.
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Croydon 13 Feb 24 11.33am

Originally posted by Matov

The question is just plain wrong.

There are 1.8 billion Muslims in the world.
There are 15.7 million Jews.

Key to this all is grasping the disparity in those numbers and then the disparity in terms of power and influence.

And lets not go there in terms of calorific power of natural resources. The Jews are amongst the poorest of all the global rival castles. And yet.....

You would think Israel would factor this in, and their geographical position surrounded by enemies, before embarking on the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians.

What the vengeance will be can only be imagined.

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