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silvertop Portishead 11 Jul 24 10.02am | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
You can't win anything without a labour government. It's an established fact since 1966. The Euros, the F1, the cricket, suddenly we fire on all cylinders, all in the last few days. It's not a coincidence, we will probably now be favourites for the World Cup in 2026. As others have said, unfunny but hiding a possible truth. If we win on Sunday the country will go nuts and enjoy a short lived deep patriotic glow. Thus, had the election been called for the 18th July..? I'm not kidding. The second after that wet announcement, I checked the Euros dates. So he timed a doomed election to predate a NATO summit and the tantalizing possibility of a Euros win (at a time England were favourites). ????
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Hrolf The Ganger 11 Jul 24 10.08am | |
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Originally posted by silvertop
As others have said, unfunny but hiding a possible truth. If we win on Sunday the country will go nuts and enjoy a short lived deep patriotic glow. Thus, had the election been called for the 18th July..? I'm not kidding. The second after that wet announcement, I checked the Euros dates. So he timed a doomed election to predate a NATO summit and the tantalizing possibility of a Euros win (at a time England were favourites). ???? I'm guessing he thought that we were more likely to fail.
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silvertop Portishead 11 Jul 24 10.32am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I'm guessing he thought that we were more likely to fail. Ha, yes of course he might. But the word "fail" is a tough one for reaching a 1st overseas final and losing. It could still be favourably spun. Unless, of course, you are not in power.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Jul 24 10.53am | |
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When a constituency party chooses who will be their candidate the local members are (or should be) the voters. When the constituency chooses who will represent them all those registered locally are the voters. When a group of those elected to Parliament are choosing who will lead them there, they are the voters. Never again must we witness the nonsense of seeing a small number of activists deciding who will become our Prime Minister. It's not democratic and it delivers people like Truss.
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Hrolf The Ganger 11 Jul 24 10.55am | |
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Originally posted by silvertop
Ha, yes of course he might. But the word "fail" is a tough one for reaching a 1st overseas final and losing. It could still be favourably spun. Unless, of course, you are not in power. Tell me that on Sunday night if we lose.
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Spiderman Horsham 11 Jul 24 11.08am | |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
Accepting this is a failed attempt at humour.could you at least use your glass eyes to read even the tiniest piece of fact. Ashes 2010, 2013, 2015 for example. T20 World Cup 50 over World Cup, numerous F1 races. You have to smile at Steeley attempt at humour. Presumably he is more than happy to stay on these shores now. Well, who would want to move to Europe atm?
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steeleye20 Croydon 11 Jul 24 11.35am | |
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For the 70+ age group which I do not admit belonging to, this is a landmark election as it marks the end of their ability to enable successive dreadful tory administrations. Even in 2019, the Johnson 80+ majority, even then rest of the country the majority would have been Corbyn and he would have had a big majority in 2017. Reducing the voting age, age caps on serving possibly voting, boundary fiddles as usual, lab/lib coalition if desperate, all sorts of ways. Cleverly is correct for a change in saying that labour from this position, can engineer a situation where the tories simply cannot win. If only there were no such things as own goals.
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 11 Jul 24 12.04pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
When a constituency party chooses who will be their candidate the local members are (or should be) the voters. When the constituency chooses who will represent them all those registered locally are the voters. When a group of those elected to Parliament are choosing who will lead them there, they are the voters. Never again must we witness the nonsense of seeing a small number of activists deciding who will become our Prime Minister. It's not democratic and it delivers people like Truss. What has changed to stop that happening? The usual convention was to call an election but it's not constitutional law or anything. Has law been changed?
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Stirlingsays 11 Jul 24 12.16pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
For the 70+ age group which I do not admit belonging to, this is a landmark election as it marks the end of their ability to enable successive dreadful tory administrations. Even in 2019, the Johnson 80+ majority, even then rest of the country the majority would have been Corbyn and he would have had a big majority in 2017. Reducing the voting age, age caps on serving possibly voting, boundary fiddles as usual, lab/lib coalition if desperate, all sorts of ways. Cleverly is correct for a change in saying that labour from this position, can engineer a situation where the tories simply cannot win. If only there were no such things as own goals.
It's completely unethical and against the spirit of democracy, however I don't think it ultimately can stop a party. The reason it can't is because it's the economy and standard of living that is the final judge. Once it falls enough people will vote for change and anyone but what they have....it's why we have Starmer when hardly anyone really likes him. Only laws banning parties from having certain policies can stop conservativism or real socialism for example....at which point we aren't a democracy....We already do this in limited areas.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Jul 24 12.44pm | |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
What has changed to stop that happening? The usual convention was to call an election but it's not constitutional law or anything. Has law been changed? It has nothing to do with the law, at least at the moment. The parties make their own rules and hopefully, the Tories can find a way of changing theirs this time, without having to amend their constitution. Enshrining the principle into law or, more likely changing the conventions surrounding how a PM is appointed, is something I would support. I strongly believe only elected representatives should choose who leads them. That's what they do. It's the King who then appoints the PM.
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Jul 24 12.46pm | |
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I am advised that The Conservative Party will establish a thorough review of the General Election campaign and a root-and-branch examination of the wider Conservative Party. This will examine what went wrong as well as what worked well. It will address problems that many within the party have been highlighting for a while. The precise timescale and composition of the 'Review Panel' will be published once agreed by the Party Board and I for one will engage with it.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Jul 24 1.19pm | |
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Originally posted by Willo
I am advised that The Conservative Party will establish a thorough review of the General Election campaign and a root-and-branch examination of the wider Conservative Party. This will examine what went wrong as well as what worked well. It will address problems that many within the party have been highlighting for a while. The precise timescale and composition of the 'Review Panel' will be published once agreed by the Party Board and I for one will engage with it. Taking long hard looks at things is always worthwhile but what is seen does depend a lot on who is looking! So the composition of the "Review Panel" is critical if it is going to have any relevance going forward. If it only comprises of convinced Party activists then it won't be of much use at all. They will all be convinced they already know what went wrong and how to put it right. If it opens itself to ordinary members of the public, voters from every strand of opinion and from every age group, then lessons can indeed be learned. So the key lies with the Board. Do they unlock the door and let opinions flood in? Or keep it shut and just have predetermined ones confirmed?
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