The reality that the vaccines reduced the death rate significantly is born out by the statistics when it was first introduced.

However, far more people have died as excess deaths since those vaccines than before it. Over two times more according to WHO figures.

What the cause is....In my opinion isn't being honestly investigated and if you watch Campbell's video on excess deaths that I posted recently you can see that the usual answers given don't stack up. He goes into where the excess deaths are happening in and where they aren't, age ranges...everything...all from official statistics.

Now I'm not saying what is causing these deaths but what I am complaining about the comparative lack of media focus and concern compared to the absolute saturation given to covid both in promotion and cost.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I caught Covid a few days after a booster jab last Christmas. Covid was noticeable to me, but likely the symptoms were mitigated to some extent by having a booster jab.
I would say, from the press I read in the build-up to the vaccination roll-out, that Chris Whitty's scientific stance was diluted by political considerations. Whitty took the money, so he had to stand by what he preached.
What I would also say (from my own scientific perspective) is that I disagreed with some of the stances taken by Government and their reasoning for it. I was surprised that other more prominent scientists hadn't made public their own concerns about the vaccination/lock-down rationale. I don't know whether the media chose not to publicise opposing views, or whether alternative views were not made more public for fear of professional repercussions. etc.
I specifically didn't hear any mention of the vaccines giving immunity from Covid or making people less contagious. However, the wording about "opening up" and giving travel passes to only vaccinated people gave the distinct impression that by having the vaccine you presented less of a Covid risk.
In fact, the opposite was probably true. Because vaccinated people (who could still catch and transmit the infection) now had unlimited access to spread the virus in public places (without even facemasks in many instances) with these people wandering unhindered and when confronted, outing the mantra ,"you're OK mate, I've been vaccinated".
Exactly the opposite was true. They were carriers, exhibiting no/little symptoms, untested, wandering unhindered through vulnerable areas of society.
The Government not highlighting the obvious limitations of vaccination, effectively meant vaccinated people considered themselves to no longer be a risk. That is wholly the Government/scientific advisors fault for not communicating the information.
And these Inquiries are meaningless. It's a distraction. What are we learning from any of the revelations revealed thus far ? anyone ?

I disengage, I turn the page.

Even if your opinions expressed here are all correct, and I don’t think they are but will ignore those for this, you and others are looking at this with the benefit of hindsight.

Covid was poorly understood in the early days. Advice was given which needed revision as knowledge improved. Variants emerged which changed the performance of the vaccines. We struggled but we managed. What you see as obvious now wasn’t when the decisions were taken. Of course some clever dick will claim they did, but lots of theories existed. One of them was always going to be right. The question was deciding what to do until we knew which one.

The enquiry is vital. We need to quietly and thoroughly understand what happened at every stage so we learn how to better respond should anything similar be faced again.

I don’t know if related to the enquiry but I heard today that we are establishing a new research lab at Porton Down to prepare for a theoretical new pandemic based on an imaginary virus X. So we are learning.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

I see. The flu took some time off. "Less exposure" "covid" seemed to do pretty well with less exposure.

" You're not laughing now are you". Nigel Farage 2016.

I can see you and me are going to get on rather well. Lol

Edited by Mattconrov (07 Aug 2023 10.58am)

" You're not laughing now are you". Nigel Farage 2016.

It's widely known in many countries that if anyone died of somthing else, be it falling of a ladder, hit by a bus or passed away with stage 4 cancer and they had covid (or sometimes none at all) in their system it was counted as a covid death.

Edited by eaglesdare (07 Aug 2023 11.15am)