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Hrolf The Ganger 06 Jul 22 10.22am | |
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All this uncertainty is bad for our pockets at a time when things are already bad. The Tory party is obviously populated by a fair number of bitter and self serving dickheads who are doing their electoral chances no good at all. If Labour benefit, then we all lose. As it is, the Tories are just the servant of globalism. Without a party or a leader who wants to put the brakes on Woke and mass immigration, then it is everyone for themselves.
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Matov 06 Jul 22 10.43am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Not even sure if an emerging 'English' nationalism can fill the gap.
"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell. |
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W12 06 Jul 22 11.14am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
What's it some say....Democracy Dies in Darkness? Yet those in real power couldn't give a damn about the interests of the majorities and never have.....they are more than happy to minimize and ignore whatever goes against their narratives and highlight and promote only that which they want you to think. The organised minority always controls the disorganised majority....for example population wide attitudes on capital punishment and immigration were ignored for decade upon decade...all the promises made were misdirections. When you look into how it actually works you find out democracy is largely a myth.....your choices are restricted to whatever higher interests are prepared to tolerate.....So you ultimately get two variation choices of the same salad. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jul 2022 10.20am) "The revolution will not be televised" Literally every globalist leader in the western world cannot even be seen in public through threat of jeers at best and a lynching at worse. We've seen this of Johnson, Trudeau, Draghi, Morrison, Adhern, Biden and many others. They have literally and physically separated themselves out from us through necessity.
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silvertop Portishead 06 Jul 22 11.39am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
In the light of Starmer's recent 'brexit' comments, let it not be forgotten that he voted 48 times to block Brexit and wanted a second EU referendum. Any previously Labour voter up north who angrily voted for Johnson because of the blocking efforts of remainers needs to be told in no uncertain terms that Starmer was at the centre of that blocking policy. The idea that Brexit would be safe in his hands is ridiculous in my view. He is as dishonest as the rest of them. He's not Starmer anymore. He's Labour. Same when May took over the Tories. You accuse him of dishonesty and hypocrisy; but if his party does not want to interfere with the Brexit vote, as leader he is compelled to alter his tune. Very different scenario from Bojo...
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steeleye20 Croydon 06 Jul 22 11.44am | |
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I had thought him bomb-proof, not even followed yet another episode. But there is a sting in the tail to our immense relief. Sunak's resignation is more likely to be his flight from an impossible economic situation caused mainly by himself.
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W12 06 Jul 22 11.59am | |
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Originally posted by Matov
Not even sure if an emerging 'English' nationalism can fill the gap. We will eventually balkanise
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silvertop Portishead 06 Jul 22 12.07pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The sooner Johnson buggers off and takes his awful wife with him the better. I just don't care anymore. It's not a Conservative party it's a neo liberal party and they have kept all the anti free speech laws Labour introduced and want to extend them with some 'online safety' b0llocks....designed to protect elites. They use all the same language the progressives use and pretty much believe in all the same stuff, wave that rainbow flag instead of promoting and supporting families that actually produce the next generation. Not conservatives. Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Jul 2022 7.45pm) I agree with you on one point but not the other. The issue I have with Bojo stems from one event. Before that event he was a lovable, cuddly oaf hosting HIGNFY and winning London twice. Sufficiently far away from me not to have any negative impact; and he seemed to deliver on his promises to a sufficient degree (although those impacted by his two terms may differ on that). After that event, I saw him as a self-serving, entitled liar who places his own legacy above all else. The event was his "decision" to back Leave. Now, take any of the unlikely alliance of frothing, gammon right or the Corbynista, Trotskyite left and they will display their lifelong commitment to get this country out of the EU for varying reasons. Ask them the question and the answer will be replied with force in an instant. Bojo? He said he "agonized" over the decision for 3 days. THREE DAYS??!? Did he not know the answer when asked? Had he never given the question that has dogged Tory politics for decades any thought at all? Clear evidence to me that he took a calculated risk, saw a yawning gap in a fence and ran through it. Remain represented the majority of parliamentarians with considerable talent and competition for leadership. Despite manifestly huge grassroot support, in Parliament Leave was largely the dim, polar extremes of disaffected politicians crying out for a front man as they utterly lacked the skills to lead themselves. It was a no-brainer. But for him; not the country. While he can lead that disparate rabble (who couldn't?), he obviously lacks the skill to lead this proud nation. He is a highly electable party gimmick but no more. He is no statesman; and the desperate efforts by his minders to keep him out of the public eye as much as possible could only get him so far. As to him not being a Tory, among the amusing comments from the character creation and fellow HOLer Willo that sticks out is that the Tory party is very broad church. It encompasses both the Tory party you recognise and vote for and the liberal center that you detest (and possibly much else). And it always has. If it did not this country would be a 3-party state as a right-of-right party would never win anything in the west or in any urban seats. It would be a party of the shires where a blue rosette on a pig would still win the seat.
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PalazioVecchio south pole 06 Jul 22 12.15pm | |
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Is anybody taking bets on how many hours Boris has left as PM ? I reckon he will be gone by lunchtime Thursday.
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Palace Old Geezer Midhurst 06 Jul 22 1.19pm | |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
Is anybody taking bets on how many hours Boris has left as PM ? I reckon he will be gone by lunchtime Thursday. I'm not a gambling man, but I bet Friday will see Boris clearing out his desk. The problem for me is that I can't see a strong, credible alternative as things stand. More serious is the prospect of Labour taking over control of our country. What a mess!
Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled. |
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Spiderman Horsham 06 Jul 22 1.22pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
I had thought him bomb-proof, not even followed yet another episode. But there is a sting in the tail to our immense relief. Sunak's resignation is more likely to be his flight from an impossible economic situation caused mainly by himself.
I totally agree with your last paragraph. Taking the cowards way out, bit like Cameron after the Brexit vote
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Spiderman Horsham 06 Jul 22 1.26pm | |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
Is anybody taking bets on how many hours Boris has left as PM ? I reckon he will be gone by lunchtime Thursday. 1922 committee meeting at 5. Apparently discussing changing rules on no confidence voting. Edited by Spiderman (06 Jul 2022 1.29pm) Attachment: C2A55648-29B5-4986-8CC3-7519CE89B33B.jpeg (862.42Kb)
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steeleye20 Croydon 06 Jul 22 2.38pm | |
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I think a bloc of 5 including ministers have just gone.
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