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 Rudi Hedman  Caterham 07 Jun 16 10.10pm |
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Originally posted by davenotamonkey
Helps if he gets the chance to answer them. Perhaps I was watching on a bad stream, but he was interrupted, in some cases without any right of reply. Terrible moderating - Sky was only marginally better, on both sides. Why can't Cameron debate head-to-head? Because people will pull him on the contradictions and the BS.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 07 Jun 16 10.12pm |
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Dave was the same. Terrible moderating from itv. Didn't challenge the 50% of laws are from EU statement. Tis actually 13% Yes why didn't they go head to head ?
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 07 Jun 16 10.25pm |
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Originally posted by JohnyBoy
Ok rudi but lets just say that the IMF's worst independent forecast of -9.5% reduction in gdp comes to fruition (and sky news have just broken the news that £65bn has already left the uk economy on brexit fears) this is of the magnitude of the Lehman collapse, who we gonna blame? I too am unaffected by the result (and am politically non-alligned) but that doesnt mean i want to see people losing their jobs and having their homes repossessed.....so do we continue to blame the eu for imposing an extra 5.5billion in tariffs or thd high immigration which is unlikely to fall that much given a leave vote or do we blame the bankers like we always do? or maybe Lord Sugar is right and the uk electorate would be to blame and considered by the rest of the globe to be the worlds "biggest mugs." One or 2 things I thought of recently were: If Sterling fell 10% roughly and tariffs were imposed of roughly 10%, then an equilibrium would be roughly achieved. Sure imported prices would rise but the small rise in wages could offset that rise. The net benefit of immigration. We all know a lot, but not all, East European males and some females come to work, live among more house sharers than is usual and then take their savings back home. Fair play to them. But this falsehood that cheap labour is only beneficial to the country and economy is nonsense. As Farage said, and reps from respected bodies have said, the benefit is about level. They do not all spend their money here after paying their taxes and some never will. People with a good level of intelligence have suddenly been very accurate at predicting UK economic crises yet previously hadn't a scooby doo. Farage also said that those who have criticised the EU and backed Brexit for the long-term benefit of the country have done so after leaving these respected bodies people are quoting. Hmmm.
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Y Ddraig Goch  In The Crowd 07 Jun 16 10.26pm |
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These programmes seem to be more about the audience getting their 5 minutes of fame than actually achieving anything. Cameron won't debate because he can't win. It's why leaders never want to debate unless they are desperate/ stupid. It's a lose lose scenario
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| davenotamonkey 07 Jun 16 10.31pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
If you are going to quote numbers, do please get them right. Take the rebate, public sector receipts and private sector/research grants off BEFORE quoting how much we pay into the EU. Thank you. You are, of course, completely right. From the weekly £350m EU bill, we receive Please note the cashback is by no means guaranteed. Moreover, if we happen to do better than other countries, that handling charge increases. Last year, the handling charge increased by +£32.7m. How would you be rating that kind of offer on "hotukdeals"?
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| davenotamonkey 07 Jun 16 10.39pm |
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Originally posted by Sportyteacher
Brainwashed by The Telegraph then that is run by The Barclay Brothers who don't even reside within The UK and enjoy Channel Islands' tax haven status. Irony klaxon. How's your Remain-bankrolled Goldmann Sachs conditioning going? Destroyed any major economies recently? Sold any Remain-bankrolled JP-Morgan sub-prime mortgages to any Greeks yet? And oh, to be lucky enough to squirrel away one's earnings in a tax-haven. Something the Guardian would NEVER do. Right?
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| Rubin 07 Jun 16 10.56pm |
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Originally posted by davenotamonkey
Irony klaxon. How's your Remain-bankrolled Goldmann Sachs conditioning going? Destroyed any major economies recently? Sold any Remain-bankrolled JP-Morgan sub-prime mortgages to any Greeks yet? And oh, to be lucky enough to squirrel away one's earnings in a tax-haven. Something the Guardian would NEVER do. Right? It's funny how many public figures are ex-Goldman Sachs, including our very own adopted 'unbiased' Governor of the Bank of England.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 07 Jun 16 10.56pm |
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Originally posted by davenotamonkey
You are, of course, completely right. From the weekly £350m EU bill, we receive Please note the cashback is by no means guaranteed. Moreover, if we happen to do better than other countries, that handling charge increases. Last year, the handling charge increased by +£32.7m. How would you be rating that kind of offer on "hotukdeals"? Do you know what the % of our gdp that goes to Europe is? I was shocked today by the fact that based on last years GDP figures that it is only 0.45%.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 07 Jun 16 11.04pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Do you know what the % of our gdp that goes to Europe is? I was shocked today by the fact that based on last years GDP figures that it is only 0.45%. It should be measured as a % of either tax because that is the issue. Where you put it has a multiplier effect as well.
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| davenotamonkey 07 Jun 16 11.24pm |
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Why have EU leaders been so quiet? If the UK is so important to "the project", surely they should speak up? The Spiegel explains (don't worry, little EUropeans: it's written in an "EU language"
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. And it is well worth the read: it lays out the acts and agenda the EU has had on hold up until the 23rd June.| davenotamonkey 07 Jun 16 11.30pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Do you know what the % of our gdp that goes to Europe is? I was shocked today by the fact that based on last years GDP figures that it is only 0.45%. Meanwhile, in the rest of the world (over 160 nations - remember them?), countries don't pay ANYTHING to access their respective markets. Where possible, they seek to bring down the type of protectionist barriers the EU has put up. They've realised that protectionist trade barriers and over-regulation are an albatross for global trade. Someone on here mentioned tariffs and Africa a few pages back...
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| DivingIsNotGood se25 07 Jun 16 11.51pm |
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Originally posted by Rubin
It's funny how many public figures are ex-Goldman Sachs, including our very own adopted 'unbiased' Governor of the Bank of England. Anyone know who bank of England shareholders are? You will never find out, but it's not who you think and far from state-run. Anyone know why The Labour Party trades as "Alistair Darling MP" Go look it up for yourself on Dunn and Bradstreet, you will find: THE LABOUR PARTY
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