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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 20 Sep 17 12.03pm
Originally posted by Jefroc "The managers' thinking". Two matches. WH as incumbent played in one and JS in another. Competition of places only really has a point if you change personnel occasionally. JS has every right to play a league game or two. On Saturday very few would place money on CP getting a point. So why not play JS then? Not exactly a massive gamble......... and who knows. As far as age is concerned Seaman, Shilton and others still played top flight football at JS's age! With the greatest respect to Speroni he isn't in that class.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 20 Sep 17 12.03pm

Originally posted by Jefroc

"The managers' thinking". Two matches. WH as incumbent played in one and JS in another. Competition of places only really has a point if you change personnel occasionally. JS has every right to play a league game or two. On Saturday very few would place money on CP getting a point. So why not play JS then? Not exactly a massive gamble......... and who knows. As far as age is concerned Seaman, Shilton and others still played top flight football at JS's age!

With the greatest respect to Speroni he isn't in that class.

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bexleydave Barnehurst 20 Sep 17 12.11pm
Originally posted by Jefroc "The managers' thinking". Two matches. WH as incumbent played in one and JS in another. Competition of places only really has a point if you change personnel occasionally. JS has every right to play a league game or two. On Saturday very few would place money on CP getting a point. So why not play JS then? Not exactly a massive gamble......... and who knows. As far as age is concerned Seaman, Shilton and others still played top flight football at JS's age! He has no "right" to selection whatsoever. If the manager considers him the better choice for a league game he'll be played, but it's worth noting that no recent managers have been minded to do so. Bexley Dave Can you hear the Brighton sing? I can't hear a ******* thing! "The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum)
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bexleydave

Barnehurst 20 Sep 17 12.11pm

Originally posted by Jefroc

"The managers' thinking". Two matches. WH as incumbent played in one and JS in another. Competition of places only really has a point if you change personnel occasionally. JS has every right to play a league game or two. On Saturday very few would place money on CP getting a point. So why not play JS then? Not exactly a massive gamble......... and who knows. As far as age is concerned Seaman, Shilton and others still played top flight football at JS's age!

He has no "right" to selection whatsoever. If the manager considers him the better choice for a league game he'll be played, but it's worth noting that no recent managers have been minded to do so.

Bexley Dave

Can you hear the Brighton sing? I can't hear a ******* thing!

"The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum)

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Jefroc Crete 20 Sep 17 12.13pm
Originally posted by Willo With the greatest respect to Speroni he isn't in that class. I never said he was. I wish he were! But I was only pointing out that age in itself is no a criterion for selection. Always remembering walking from the Holmesdale to the Whitehorse end at half time!
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Jefroc

Crete 20 Sep 17 12.13pm

Originally posted by Willo

With the greatest respect to Speroni he isn't in that class.

I never said he was. I wish he were! But I was only pointing out that age in itself is no a criterion for selection.

Always remembering walking from the Holmesdale to the Whitehorse end at half time!

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 20 Sep 17 12.19pm
Originally posted by Jefroc I never said he was. I wish he were! But I was only pointing out that age in itself is no a criterion for selection. Just speculating that the advancement of years can bring about a degradation in performance, especially reflexes and mobility which are key qualities required by keepers. Managers at clubs are better placed to form such judgements based on what they witness at the training ground.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 20 Sep 17 12.19pm

Originally posted by Jefroc

I never said he was. I wish he were! But I was only pointing out that age in itself is no a criterion for selection.

Just speculating that the advancement of years can bring about a degradation in performance, especially reflexes and mobility which are key qualities required by keepers.

Managers at clubs are better placed to form such judgements based on what they witness at the training ground.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 20 Sep 17 12.21pm
Originally posted by bexleydave He has no "right" to selection whatsoever. If the manager considers him the better choice for a league game he'll be played, but it's worth noting that no recent managers have been minded to do so. A point I made earlier. I think Speroni has only made 6 first team appearances in the last 3 seasons. Edited by Willo (20 Sep 2017 12.22pm)
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 20 Sep 17 12.21pm

Originally posted by bexleydave

He has no "right" to selection whatsoever. If the manager considers him the better choice for a league game he'll be played, but it's worth noting that no recent managers have been minded to do so.

A point I made earlier.
I think Speroni has only made 6 first team appearances in the last 3 seasons.

Edited by Willo (20 Sep 2017 12.22pm)

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robdave2k 20 Sep 17 12.21pm
Hodgson picked Schwarzer when he was 37/38 at Fulham. And for the record I think Speroni is a much better keeper than Hennessy. Hennessy with his attributes on paper should be far superior but it just doesn't seem to work.
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robdave2k

20 Sep 17 12.21pm

Hodgson picked Schwarzer when he was 37/38 at Fulham.

And for the record I think Speroni is a much better keeper than Hennessy. Hennessy with his attributes on paper should be far superior but it just doesn't seem to work.

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EagleEssex Essex 20 Sep 17 12.32pm
Originally posted by susmik Different story last night though: [Link] A partisan piece written by Palace fan Jim Daly. "Speroni is still Palace's best keeper?" Unsubstantiated rubbish. Fair enough if that's his opinion but dont pass it off as fact. I remember a similar piece was written in the standard claiming that Mandanda was much better than Hennessey. apparently speaking on behalf of the fans as a whole.
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EagleEssex

Essex 20 Sep 17 12.32pm

Originally posted by susmik

Different story last night though:
[Link]

A partisan piece written by Palace fan Jim Daly.
"Speroni is still Palace's best keeper?" Unsubstantiated rubbish. Fair enough if that's his opinion but dont pass it off as fact. I remember a similar piece was written in the standard claiming that Mandanda was much better than Hennessey. apparently speaking on behalf of the fans as a whole.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 20 Sep 17 12.39pm
Originally posted by robdave2k Hodgson picked Schwarzer when he was 37/38 at Fulham. And for the record I think Speroni is a much better keeper than Hennessy. Hennessy with his attributes on paper should be far superior but it just doesn't seem to work. Hodgson signed him ! Think Schwarzer might have been 37 when he signed for Fulham. Hodgson also signed Pascal Zuberbuhler, I think at the age of 37 and both Schwarzer and Zuberbuhler were at Fulham at the same time. Maybe there is hope for Speroni at 38 !
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 20 Sep 17 12.39pm

Originally posted by robdave2k

Hodgson picked Schwarzer when he was 37/38 at Fulham.

And for the record I think Speroni is a much better keeper than Hennessy. Hennessy with his attributes on paper should be far superior but it just doesn't seem to work.

Hodgson signed him !
Think Schwarzer might have been 37 when he signed for Fulham.
Hodgson also signed Pascal Zuberbuhler, I think at the age of 37 and both Schwarzer and Zuberbuhler were at Fulham at the same time.
Maybe there is hope for Speroni at 38 !

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rednblue4eva Norwood 20 Sep 17 12.45pm
Originally posted by susmik Different story last night though: [Link] "Despite being 38 he is still the best keeper the club has" Stats - Hennessey played 5 lost 5, Speroni played 2 won 2 Edited by rednblue4eva (20 Sep 2017 12.51pm)
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rednblue4eva

Norwood 20 Sep 17 12.45pm

Originally posted by susmik

Different story last night though:
[Link]

"Despite being 38 he is still the best keeper the club has"

Stats - Hennessey played 5 lost 5, Speroni played 2 won 2

Edited by rednblue4eva (20 Sep 2017 12.51pm)

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orpingtoneagle Orpington 20 Sep 17 12.52pm
I wonder what took people so long??? So we play JS in a cup game in which we play a newly promoted side who like us make wholesale changes from the last league match. An overweight overpaid second string striker scores for us, we win, we keep a clean sheet and it's like the second coming! They didn't score last night as firstly they did bot play their best team but equally because we played a decent central defensive pairing. JS did what was asked of him. WH would have done the same with I suspect the same result.
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I wonder what took people so long???

So we play JS in a cup game in which we play a newly promoted side who like us make wholesale changes from the last league match.

An overweight overpaid second string striker scores for us, we win, we keep a clean sheet and it's like the second coming!

They didn't score last night as firstly they did bot play their best team but equally because we played a decent central defensive pairing.

JS did what was asked of him. WH would have done the same with I suspect the same result.

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Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 20 Sep 17 12.59pm
Originally posted by robdave2k Hodgson picked Schwarzer when he was 37/38 at Fulham. And for the record I think Speroni is a much better keeper than Hennessy. Hennessy with his attributes on paper should be far superior but it just doesn't seem to work. No. Peak Speroni was a better keeper than Hennessey is now, for sure. The current Speroni is not the same player. Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)
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Mr_Gristle

In the land of Whelk Eaters 20 Sep 17 12.59pm

Originally posted by robdave2k

Hodgson picked Schwarzer when he was 37/38 at Fulham.

And for the record I think Speroni is a much better keeper than Hennessy. Hennessy with his attributes on paper should be far superior but it just doesn't seem to work.

No.

Peak Speroni was a better keeper than Hennessey is now, for sure. The current Speroni is not the same player.

Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)

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jamiemartin721 Reading 20 Sep 17 1.01pm
Originally posted by robdave2k Hodgson picked Schwarzer when he was 37/38 at Fulham. And for the record I think Speroni is a much better keeper than Hennessy. Hennessy with his attributes on paper should be far superior but it just doesn't seem to work. I think he was always better than Hennessy, but that being on the bench for this long really won't have done his ability any good, its not so much that he's too old, but that his age and lack of regular experience at this level means he's likely a second place to Hennessey now. That said, he didn't conceded against Huddersfield... "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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jamiemartin721

Reading 20 Sep 17 1.01pm

Originally posted by robdave2k

Hodgson picked Schwarzer when he was 37/38 at Fulham.

And for the record I think Speroni is a much better keeper than Hennessy. Hennessy with his attributes on paper should be far superior but it just doesn't seem to work.

I think he was always better than Hennessy, but that being on the bench for this long really won't have done his ability any good, its not so much that he's too old, but that his age and lack of regular experience at this level means he's likely a second place to Hennessey now.

That said, he didn't conceded against Huddersfield...

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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