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 Wilesy01  Bristol 30 Jul 24 10.44am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
They aren't undertones. I'm stating categorically that a vastly disproportionate amount of violent crime is now committed by those of immigrant origin. The background of this individual won't alter that fact one way or the other. What really grieves me the most, aside from the heathenish crime itself, is people like you who are more concerned with appearances and what people think but shouldn't say than the murder of little girls. You sicken me. Do you have kids by any chance? Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (30 Jul 2024 10.03am)
Your laments about immigration and the those who commit crimes are not made with any sort of statistics, rather about the way you feel. Couldn’t particularly give a hoot about what sickens you, as I’m far more concerned with those bereaved than whatever narrow political point you intend to crowbar into just about every post on this forum. As for my family it’s none of your business.
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| eaglesdare 30 Jul 24 10.47am |
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I guess you are far right now if you are concerned about childrens saftely.
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| Behind Enemy Lines Sussex 30 Jul 24 10.49am |
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Originally posted by MFW94
No, I just think what has happened is shocking, and people trying to straight away force the blame on immigration isn't good. People pick and chose when to not like immigration. People initially thought he was a asylum seeker (he wasnt) I will take your opinion onboard, whilst I dont necessarily agree.
If the authorities don't eventually release the name of the attacker (and I doubt that they will because of his reported age) then it is only natural for theories to emerge. Those theories will take into consideration past atrocities of a similar nature to come up with a conclusion. Hence we arrive at what has been posted on here and elsewhere. The attacker may be black, he may be brown, he may be white, and his origin may be from anywhere, but somewhere along the line he has been reported as being 17; is that what he has told the authorities so that he is offered more 'protection', or do the authorities have proof of his age, in which case is he already known to them? If he is from Cardiff, what is he doing in Southport? Day trip? Working in the area? Studying at a local educational establishment? Somebody will know his details, whether that is his parents, work colleagues or fellow students. His details will emerge eventually and some of us will be right about his origins, and some of us will be wrong.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 30 Jul 24 10.50am |
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Originally posted by Wilesy01
Your laments about immigration and the those who commit crimes are not made with any sort of statistics, rather about the way you feel. Couldn’t particularly give a hoot about what sickens you, as I’m far more concerned with those bereaved than whatever narrow political point you intend to crowbar into just about every post on this forum. As for my family it’s none of your business. Did you read my post properly? You can't deny any of what I have said because it's the truth. You can be as 'concerned' as you like for the bereaved, but that isn't going to stop the next attack.
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PalazioVecchio  south pole 30 Jul 24 10.58am |
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Originally posted by MFW94
People initially thought he was a asylum seeker (he wasnt) Edited by MFW94 (30 Jul 2024 10.29am) you could say the same about the Lads who bombed London in 7/7. carry on with your deluded nonsense.
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Nicholas91  The Democratic Republic of Kent 30 Jul 24 11.03am |
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Originally posted by MFW94
No, I just think what has happened is shocking, and people trying to straight away force the blame on immigration isn't good. People pick and chose when to not like immigration. People initially thought he was a asylum seeker (he wasnt) I will take your opinion onboard, whilst I dont necessarily agree.
You know the details of the perpetrator then? Serious question. And for clarity, I am suggesting anyone who would immediately look to hijack this for a personal agenda is unwell, whether that be 'blame immigration' or 'protect immigration'. That's not the issue at hand. As someone who can technically classified as 'second generation' I am completely disinterested in any side debate. Where my priority lies is with 'Why did this happen, what has allowed this to happen and most importantly, what needs to be done?'. I'm a father myself, that's all I care about and that is where I would be willing to sacrifice all else. Anyone prioritising otherwise is a gutless coward as far as I am concerned, from politicians to the man on the street. To suggest any notion of being powerless over such things is morally unforgivable but seems to be the state of the nation at the moment. It's moral cowards who need to be removed for anything like justice to prevail. I don't believe people are inherently without morals, they just lack courage and any man should be willing to sacrifice his own interests to protect children. I'll happily admit I feel, as I often do, quite powerless in this situation but I do not just accept that as an inevitability nor will I abandon my own thinking to comfort myself. I fear that many have however and that's where both the far 'left' and 'right' demonstrate their cowardice, as two sides of the same coin, more concerned with the opposing faction than anything resembling truth and therefore solutions to what are horrific circumstances. There is a reason such things are not a rarity anymore and therefore there will be a solution.
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| PalazioVecchio south pole 30 Jul 24 11.03am |
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Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines
If the authorities don't eventually release the name of the attacker (and I doubt that they will because of his reported age) then it is only natural for theories to emerge. Those theories will take into consideration past atrocities of a similar nature to come up with a conclusion. Hence we arrive at what has been posted on here and elsewhere. The attacker may be black, he may be brown, he may be white, and his origin may be from anywhere, but somewhere along the line he has been reported as being 17; is that what he has told the authorities so that he is offered more 'protection', or do the authorities have proof of his age, in which case is he already known to them? If he is from Cardiff, what is he doing in Southport? Day trip? Working in the area? Studying at a local educational establishment? Somebody will know his details, whether that is his parents, work colleagues or fellow students. His details will emerge eventually and some of us will be right about his origins, and some of us will be wrong. the public are clutching at straws to understand all of this. The clue is in what kids were attacked. Was it an islamic faith school or a Taylor Swift Dance school ? The Primary kids stabbed in Dublin were attending an Irish-language school....deliberately targeted then ? or a mental illness case who forgot his meds ? if you want to understand a foe, look at their modus operandus.
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eagleman13  On The Road To Hell & Alicante 30 Jul 24 11.36am |
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Originally posted by Nicholas91
You know the details of the perpetrator then? Serious question. And for clarity, I am suggesting anyone who would immediately look to hijack this for a personal agenda is unwell, whether that be 'blame immigration' or 'protect immigration'. That's not the issue at hand. As someone who can technically classified as 'second generation' I am completely disinterested in any side debate. Where my priority lies is with 'Why did this happen, what has allowed this to happen and most importantly, what needs to be done?'. I'm a father myself, that's all I care about and that is where I would be willing to sacrifice all else. Anyone prioritising otherwise is a gutless coward as far as I am concerned, from politicians to the man on the street. To suggest any notion of being powerless over such things is morally unforgivable but seems to be the state of the nation at the moment. It's moral cowards who need to be removed for anything like justice to prevail. I don't believe people are inherently without morals, they just lack courage and any man should be willing to sacrifice his own interests to protect children. I'll happily admit I feel, as I often do, quite powerless in this situation but I do not just accept that as an inevitability nor will I abandon my own thinking to comfort myself. I fear that many have however and that's where both the far 'left' and 'right' demonstrate their cowardice, as two sides of the same coin, more concerned with the opposing faction than anything resembling truth and therefore solutions to what are horrific circumstances. There is a reason such things are not a rarity anymore and therefore there will be a solution. What a brilliant post.
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| georgenorman 30 Jul 24 11.45am |
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It is being reported by the Telegraph that the youth in custody was born in Cardiff and moved to the Southport area with his Rwandan parents when he was aged six.
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| eaglesdare 30 Jul 24 11.49am |
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Not related to southport. Is anywhere safe anymore?
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| Behind Enemy Lines Sussex 30 Jul 24 12.08pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
It is being reported by the Telegraph that the youth in custody was born in Cardiff and moved to the Southport area with his Rwandan parents when he was aged six. If he is 17 now and was 6 when he moved to Southport, why is it relevant that he was born in Cardiff? He lives in the area and has done for two thirds of his life; just say he was born in the UK. To bring Wales and a timeline into the equation just fills the narrative with unnecessary facts and if anything helps the public to identify the perpetrator by adding 2 and 2 together and tracing a name. Or is Southport so full of Rwandans that the authorities need to 'protect' those who didn't move from Cardiff?
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Kosowski  Standing at the top of B Block 30 Jul 24 12.10pm |
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Third kid dies. Absolutely horrific.
Block B comment of 2011/2012 Season: "That's better Palace, better...but still fucking shit!" ---------------------------------------------------------------- Dann to Much, Much to Yong. |
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