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Matov Flag 15 Jul 24 8.22am Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by Ouzo Dan


The Secret service would have been prepping that area for weeks & would have identified & secured any potential vantage points to within a mile of the rally.
How the f*** they missed a ladder 140m out propped up on a building hidden behind a tree is again absolutely scandalous & my gut tells me it was intentionally ignored.


Edited by Ouzo Dan (15 Jul 2024 7.37am)

Firstly, thanks for the technical stuff. Adds to it all. But this point I have quoted is what matters above all else. This was not some built-up urban area dominated by rooftops and windows. This was a relatively open area with very few vantage spots for a potential sniper to utilise. And that particular roof would have been the number one choice. Standing out to even the most basic onlooker as a spot that needed securing even if only to make use of for security purposes such as observing the crowd facing onto where Trump was speaking. In fact, them not having people stationed up there is just as shocking.

The only question is the negligence just incompetence or willful? A simple, binary choice.

 


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 15 Jul 24 8.24am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

This is an appalling thing to say but not surprising considering the poster.

No comment about the innocent victim killed, but then the TDS victim probably thinks he was contributory to his own death by being there.

Shame on WE

If you, or anyone else, bothered to actually try to understand my post, it was attempting to look beyond the event itself and address the divisiveness that lies behind it and where it springs from.

There is little point in commenting on the event itself, at least until all the facts are known, if they ever are to the point of general acceptance. Not that that seems to be stopping the wildfire of conspiracy theories.

Of course it’s very sad that an innocent bystander lost their life but regrettably people get killed every day by guns in the USA and we don’t comment on each of them. The free availability of guns is certainly a major problem, which is a significant contributing factor, one that needs to be included in any analysis of the root causes of this event.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 15 Jul 24 8.37am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by eaglesdare

A man was murdered. Others are in hospital and trump another man was almost murdered and certain people and a poster only cares about villifying trump. That should tell you all you need to know about those looney wokie lefties and their character and how they value democracy.

If you don't have anything other than negative or ridiculous comments at this time best to stay silent.

This is not the time or occasion to vilify Trump. There are more than enough others to do that. So I am not, despite your assertions.

All I have done is to try to understand what causes the divisions that create the circumstances when events of this sort occur. As Trump has made a significant contribution to stoking those divisions it cannot just be ignored.

He has promised a different speech at the Convention. Let’s see. Maybe he will admit to fuelling the problem with his own rhetoric. Biden is being statesmanlike so it would lower the temperature if Trump joined him.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards georgenorman Flag 15 Jul 24 8.40am Send a Private Message to georgenorman Add georgenorman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

This is not the time or occasion to vilify Trump. There are more than enough others to do that. So I am not, despite your assertions.

All I have done is to try to understand what causes the divisions that create the circumstances when events of this sort occur. As Trump has made a significant contribution to stoking those divisions it cannot just be ignored.

He has promised a different speech at the Convention. Let’s see. Maybe he will admit to fuelling the problem with his own rhetoric. Biden is being statesmanlike so it would lower the temperature if Trump joined him.

Are you pleased that Trump survived the attempt on his life?

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 15 Jul 24 8.42am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by YT

A nice bit of back-tracking.

Nope. Just an explanation of something that ought to be obvious, but clearly wasn’t.

 


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The Dolphin Flag 15 Jul 24 8.49am Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Do you believe otherwise? Seriously?

If so, whilst you are fully entitled to your opinion, I have another belief and that the delusion is yours alone.


Wisbech - the majority on here totally disagree with you and while I love a debate, free speech and opposing views I am of the mind that you should be banned from posting.

 

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HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 15 Jul 24 8.50am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

This is an appalling thing to say but not surprising considering the poster.

No comment about the innocent victim killed, but then the TDS victim probably thinks he was contributory to his own death by being there.

Shame on WE

Even more appalling to try and defend the original shameful post.

I know that some posters are here for others' comedic value but sometimes it goes beyond the usual deluded attention seeking gibberish

 


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The Dolphin Flag 15 Jul 24 8.51am Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

I would add - if you write what you post to wind people up or get a reaction, then great job!
If you believe what you write, then no wonder this country is going down the pan.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 15 Jul 24 8.56am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by georgenorman

Are you pleased that Trump survived the attempt on his life?

You already know, and we all should know better than feeding the troll.


 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 15 Jul 24 8.56am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by georgenorman

Are you pleased that Trump survived the attempt on his life?

Was it an attempt on his life? If you listen to some of the conspiracy theories, not the ones you read here, it was all staged to show him as a hero before the Convention.

But yes, I detest violence of every kind and never want it to succeed.

I wish he had never been born, not that he must now be removed. He exists, but so does the populism that allows such a character to be elevated to high office.

It’s the belief in populism as a solution to political problems that needs to be removed. Not the pawns that try to manoeuvre their way to become kings.

 


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HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 15 Jul 24 8.58am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You already know, and we all should know better than feeding the troll.


Best thing to do is ignore and not give any oxygen , I do and it works for me

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 15 Jul 24 9.00am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

Even more appalling to try and defend the original shameful post.

I know that some posters are here for others' comedic value but sometimes it goes beyond the usual deluded attention seeking gibberish

What on earth is shameful in trying to step back from the emotion of any appalling event and try to understand what caused it?

 


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