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Aray Flag South London 23 Oct 23 8.02am Send a Private Message to Aray Add Aray as a friend

Originally posted by Painter

Has anybody said he is?

No...but it seemed like he was the nearest to having someone in playmaker role on Saturday. He wasn't holding, was he?

 

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palace99 Flag New Mills 23 Oct 23 10.19am

Originally posted by palace chick

I said the same about swapping Ayew to the left further up this thread. It was a no brainer. I also said Lerma and Doucoure weren’t ready and that could be seen. I also don’t think Hughes works well with both of them playing. In truth most of our 11 were poor yesterday and Newcastle were on top form. I expect our starting 11 before injuries a few weeks back would have given them a much harder contest? It also didn’t help the fluke first goal and the less said about Edouard and Matteta the better :-(

Agree - who would have thought an attacking RB might attack and double up on our LB? OE wasn't ready for it and we were caught out repeatedly. If one of the 3 CMs were meant to help out i couldn't see it.
Roy's inability to change things mid match are baffling.

For 2nd goal when the ball was converted Hughes was the closest player to Gordon and Newcastle also had a free man. Any ideas where Ward was?

 

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Booted Eagle Flag Bristol 23 Oct 23 10.27am Send a Private Message to Booted Eagle Add Booted Eagle as a friend

As mentioned previously suspect our season will largely pan out the same as last year but without the season interruption. Will gain enough points in the games against lower opposition, will have a few good results against higher teams like ManUre result, take a couple of pannings like Saturday, not much in the Cups, very little transfer activity of note mid season, finish 10th-15th. Could get shaky if we decide to sell in Jan and don't recruit or wisely, long term injuries but overall see a steady season ahead. Bright spark could be player/s breaking into the team COYP !!

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Elpis Flag In a pub 23 Oct 23 1.33pm Send a Private Message to Elpis Add Elpis as a friend

Originally posted by palace99

Agree - who would have thought an attacking RB might attack and double up on our LB? OE wasn't ready for it and we were caught out repeatedly. If one of the 3 CMs were meant to help out i couldn't see it.
Roy's inability to change things mid match are baffling.

For 2nd goal when the ball was converted Hughes was the closest player to Gordon and Newcastle also had a free man. Any ideas where Ward was?

It wasn't one of our best performances but people just have to realise this Newcastle side are very good .They are as good as anyone at the moment and without our best eleven on the pitch we are going to struggle to contain them . They have recently put 8 past Sheffield utd , beat Man City and took PSG to the cleaners in the CL . What made anyone think a makeshift Palace team was going to get any joy out of them ?

The second goal .The left sided attacker made a run across the box ,Ward his marker went with him leaving the space at the back post which was taken up by Gordon . Hughes jogging back let him get away ,he realised too late the situation developing and Gordon got the tap in
It was a decent goal which could only have been avoided if EVERYONE had gone with the runners they were marking .Where Ward was was doing his job , shame we can't say the same about some of the others

 

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Goalpost1 Flag Worcester Park 23 Oct 23 2.56pm Send a Private Message to Goalpost1 Add Goalpost1 as a friend

Originally posted by Elpis

It wasn't one of our best performances but people just have to realise this Newcastle side are very good .They are as good as anyone at the moment and without our best eleven on the pitch we are going to struggle to contain them . They have recently put 8 past Sheffield utd , beat Man City and took PSG to the cleaners in the CL . What made anyone think a makeshift Palace team was going to get any joy out of them ?

The second goal .The left sided attacker made a run across the box ,Ward his marker went with him leaving the space at the back post which was taken up by Gordon . Hughes jogging back let him get away ,he realised too late the situation developing and Gordon got the tap in
It was a decent goal which could only have been avoided if EVERYONE had gone with the runners they were marking .Where Ward was was doing his job , shame we can't say the same about some of the others

Very good post. I thought going into the game we might lose to this extent. They are bang in form with a lot of strength in depth and very little injuries to key players. With such a decimated team we were always going to be on the backfoot. I listened to the whole game and thought in patches we did not play too bad considering but the defensive errors were poor. However this is not a game that will define our season.

 

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taylors lovechild Flag 23 Oct 23 3.39pm Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend

Originally posted by Elpis

It wasn't one of our best performances but people just have to realise this Newcastle side are very good .They are as good as anyone at the moment and without our best eleven on the pitch we are going to struggle to contain them . They have recently put 8 past Sheffield utd , beat Man City and took PSG to the cleaners in the CL . What made anyone think a makeshift Palace team was going to get any joy out of them ?

The second goal .The left sided attacker made a run across the box ,Ward his marker went with him leaving the space at the back post which was taken up by Gordon . Hughes jogging back let him get away ,he realised too late the situation developing and Gordon got the tap in
It was a decent goal which could only have been avoided if EVERYONE had gone with the runners they were marking .Where Ward was was doing his job , shame we can't say the same about some of the others

I don't think anyone expected a result, but I don't think most were expecting us to be quite so poor. Newcastle didn't even put out their strongest XI (although to be honest that is quite hard to pick given the strength of their squad). I did think Hughes was particularly poor after filling in admirably in Lerma's absence. He switched off multiple times, including during two of the goals. He also fluffed his lines going forward and his set-pieces were a bit floaty (stark contrast to Franca's whipped balls when he came on). Having said all that I like Hughes' spirit and aggression. Thankfully Roy did not try and gloss over what was a sh!t show and hopefully that'll feed a much improved performance on Friday.

 

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Putitout Flag Oxford 23 Oct 23 5.01pm Send a Private Message to Putitout Add Putitout as a friend

Originally posted by Elpis

It wasn't one of our best performances but people just have to realise this Newcastle side are very good .They are as good as anyone at the moment and without our best eleven on the pitch we are going to struggle to contain them . They have recently put 8 past Sheffield utd , beat Man City and took PSG to the cleaners in the CL . What made anyone think a makeshift Palace team was going to get any joy out of them ?

The second goal .The left sided attacker made a run across the box ,Ward his marker went with him leaving the space at the back post which was taken up by Gordon . Hughes jogging back let him get away ,he realised too late the situation developing and Gordon got the tap in
It was a decent goal which could only have been avoided if EVERYONE had gone with the runners they were marking .Where Ward was was doing his job , shame we can't say the same about some of the others

That sums most of it up, Newcastle, are becoming a very good side, with their crowd behind them they can crush even good opposition. So the result doesn’t make us that bad.
On the day we just were not good enough. But having said that, the first goal had a lot of fluke about it, bad news anywhere, and it kind of set the pattern, what with Guehi, slipping. We don’t help ourselves though, because our forwards just do not score. So it might not have been 4-0 but we would always have lost to a very good side.

Edited by Putitout (23 Oct 2023 5.03pm)

 

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Elpis Flag In a pub 23 Oct 23 5.12pm Send a Private Message to Elpis Add Elpis as a friend

No argument from me (replies to my post) Sometimes you just have to accept reality .

 

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Goal Machine Flag The Cronx 24 Oct 23 10.29am Send a Private Message to Goal Machine Add Goal Machine as a friend

It was a disappointing performance and even more disappointing result, but in all honesty I think we'd have still lost there with our best 11. Not the end of the world.

I think it will be much the same against Spurs. Weak team against an in form side.

After the Spurs game we've got a run of 5 winnable games (Burnley, Everton, Luton, West Ham, Bournemouth) - I'd much rather have the likes Eze, Olise and Franca back for these matches.

 

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monkey Flag Sittingbourne,but made in Bromley 24 Oct 23 11.37am Send a Private Message to monkey Add monkey as a friend

Originally posted by Goal Machine

It was a disappointing performance and even more disappointing result, but in all honesty I think we'd have still lost there with our best 11. Not the end of the world.

I think it will be much the same against Spurs. Weak team against an in form side.

After the Spurs game we've got a run of 5 winnable games (Burnley, Everton, Luton, West Ham, Bournemouth) - I'd much rather have the likes Eze, Olise and Franca back for these matches.

That’s how we’ve always got to look at it, we know where the bulk of our points are coming from every season, so anyone who gets stressed over losing to the best sides in the division, especially one that hammered PSG, needs to give their head a wobble(as the saying goes)

 

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Eaglecoops Flag CR3 24 Oct 23 1.00pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by palace99

Agree - who would have thought an attacking RB might attack and double up on our LB? OE wasn't ready for it and we were caught out repeatedly. If one of the 3 CMs were meant to help out i couldn't see it.
Roy's inability to change things mid match are baffling.

For 2nd goal when the ball was converted Hughes was the closest player to Gordon and Newcastle also had a free man. Any ideas where Ward was?

I was annoyed by our inability to respond to the overload of one side of the pitch. I thought Roy and Ray were known for their meticulous attention to detail on defensive set up and yet they failed to get us to adapt. If they wanted a clue about what the opposition were likely to do, all they had to do was watch previous Newcastle matches to see that this is a common Howe ploy and particularly down the opposition’s left hand side. Normally it would involve Almiron but Murphy was equally obliging.

As much as I find Schlupp annoying in his play he would at least have provided more protection down that side.

Oh, and I seem to recall that Ward was in the middle ‘helping out’ when Gordon slotted home.

Edited by Eaglecoops (24 Oct 2023 2.55pm)

 

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palace99 Flag New Mills 30 Oct 23 11.11am

Originally posted by Elpis

It wasn't one of our best performances but people just have to realise this Newcastle side are very good .They are as good as anyone at the moment and without our best eleven on the pitch we are going to struggle to contain them . They have recently put 8 past Sheffield utd , beat Man City and took PSG to the cleaners in the CL . What made anyone think a makeshift Palace team was going to get any joy out of them ?

The second goal .The left sided attacker made a run across the box ,Ward his marker went with him leaving the space at the back post which was taken up by Gordon . Hughes jogging back let him get away ,he realised too late the situation developing and Gordon got the tap in
It was a decent goal which could only have been avoided if EVERYONE had gone with the runners they were marking .Where Ward was was doing his job , shame we can't say the same about some of the others

Gordon played LW (so marked by Ward) and he scored the goal. If Ward went with a runner it wasn't his man, hence the big gap. Hughes was playing slightly ahead of the other 2 CMs so not sure how it could have been his man

 

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