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Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 07 May 23 8.36pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

If we were in the position where we needed to preserve our lead or hold out for a point, our supporters would not be averse to any 'Game Management'.

I’m somewhat dubious as to the official’s cooperation with us if we were to do so however.

I think the general rule of thumb is a team who’ve had a top four finish in the last 5-10 years vs anyone else to get the more favourable treatment. If no such team is involved other parameters can be used such as; home team, referee’s subjective preference, any backhanders etc.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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Painter Flag Croydon 08 May 23 9.10am Send a Private Message to Painter Add Painter as a friend

Originally posted by Tickled pink

Zaha is still our most important attacking player, created very decent opportunities today that were somewhat wasted, silly to wish him gone.

I dont disagree, but he doesnt put enough effort into playing, spends more time arguing with officials and opposing players.

He doesnt realise, this is why he never got that move to a bigger club in his prime, if he goes now on a free, he will be a bench player.

 

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Painter Flag Croydon 08 May 23 9.18am Send a Private Message to Painter Add Painter as a friend

Originally posted by dynamicdick

Willo, you had to be there to truly appreciate the poor level of refereeing. Zaha was kicked all afternoon and Spurs got away with it most of the time; yet when he wrestled the ball out of Forster’s hands he got booked while FF who was blatantly time wasting got 3ugger all.

One rule for the big clubs!

Forster did get booked for the incident as well.

 

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Dubai Eagle Flag 08 May 23 9.42am Send a Private Message to Dubai Eagle Add Dubai Eagle as a friend

Rugby is an excellent example of common sense officiating, (at least at the elite level) open communication on decisions through the ref mic, clock stopped when the ball is out of play & very few contentious decisions ( of course you can always disagree on specific calls but nothing like the situation we face where after every game there are whole pages of managers, pundits, reporters & fans disagreeing with the referee or VAR calls -


On the time wasting, its always been a part of the game to a greater or lesser extent but with the amount of money in the game now (at that elite level) the prize for this kind of "gamesmanship" is so great that clubs / players will exploit it to the max - I have seen several articles where its being reported that "ball in play" times have now dropped below 60 minutes for the first time on a regular basis - the "ball in play" time will only continue to lower until the officials take action -

Put in a clock watcher in the VAR room & have illuminated displays in the top tier grounds showing the amount of "ball in play" time left in the game instead of burdening the match official with this duty - Make substitutions a specific recognised time add on (for example 30 seconds) to lower the opportunity for it to be used as a time wasting measure, for sure there needs to be some meat put on the bones but you get the drift.

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Agree. They do it in rugby too and have done for some time.

Rugby Union, from mics on refs to the stopped watch for when the ball is not in play is surely just an example of common sense and intelligent decision making. Football the opposite of this. Granted it may not happen at lower levels for Rugger however the minnows of Crystal Palace spent £30mil+ on the statuesque Benteke a number of years ago now, the money is there for it.

 

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taylors lovechild Flag 08 May 23 10.18am Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend

If they followed the path seen at the WC I imagine a lot of the timewasting would stop, but for some reason they didn't want to follow that path. I thought it was a more honest approach, personally, even if it did mean some games had an incredible amount of added time.

I hope this doesn't become a pattern against us though, as Wolves basically did the same thing and I wonder if Mason saw that was a weakness for us (ie constant small fouls to disrupt our flow) and so copied them. Arsenal showed last night how to overcome it, but obviously they have better players.

 

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JRW2 Flag Dulwich 09 May 23 2.05pm Send a Private Message to JRW2 Add JRW2 as a friend

Originally posted by Wilbraham413


I'm not really sure what the answer is, but yesterday was dire to watch, and not just because we lost.

No, nor do I. But there's one thing that could help in a very small way, namely, making goalkeepers take goal kicks on the side of the goal where the ball crossed the line. So many pick the ball up on one side and take a leisurely stroll to the other side. Over a match it might add a couple of minutes of in-play time - not very much, but it could be easily policed, and every little helps.

 

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Midlands Eagle Flag 09 May 23 2.16pm Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by JRW2

there's one thing that could help in a very small way, namely, making goalkeepers take goal kicks on the side of the goal where the ball crossed the line. So many pick the ball up on one side and take a leisurely stroll to the other side. Over a match it might add a couple of minutes of in-play time - not very much, but it could be easily policed, and every little helps.

20/20 cricket has all sorts of time limits to keep the game flowing which could usefully be adapted to footie if there was a will to stop time wasting

 

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Teddy Eagle Flag 09 May 23 2.20pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend


Some interesting figures about how long the ball is in play.


[Link]

 

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sprites Flag Auckland 11 May 23 1.19am Send a Private Message to sprites Add sprites as a friend

Originally posted by Tickled pink

Zaha is still our most important attacking player, created very decent opportunities today that were somewhat wasted, silly to wish him gone.

Nah, he's not. Not anymore. Olise is much more of a threat. Eze too.

 

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MrRobbo Flag Chaldon 11 May 23 12.28pm Send a Private Message to MrRobbo Add MrRobbo as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle


Some interesting figures about how long the ball is in play.


[Link]

Against Newcastle Guaita took an average of 63 secs for each of his goal kicks.

So over the course of the match he spent over 10 mins.

Quite insane really

 

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Teddy Eagle Flag 11 May 23 12.55pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by MrRobbo

Against Newcastle Guaita took an average of 63 secs for each of his goal kicks.

So over the course of the match he spent over 10 mins.

Quite insane really

It is. Watch 10 games and one of them will have been spent waiting for him to take goal kicks. Double it for the other keeper and add in throw-ins as well as over exaggerated injuries and general stoppages. It's quite a thought that reducing the playing time to 60 minutes and ensuring it's played in full would mean more play.

 

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 11 May 23 12.56pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

It takes me over 2 hrs to drive home, I have no desire to return to my abode after 8 PM following an afternoon game and in the 'Dead of night' after an evening match !!!

 

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