This is one occasion where we can't blame the referee. We were genuinely very bad indeed and, even with a full complement, we would still have lost. With one or two exceptions (and I mean one or two) our passing was toilet.

Shambolic from minute one, unable to pass to each other until Fulham scored and to be honest at home we again made one of the Premiership's lesser lights look like Man City.
There can be no complaint about either sending off, the referee had little choice.
A woeful team selection with odd substitutions again, why no height up front against Diop and not even a sighting of our one forward from the bench ?
We are not good enough if our 'top' players don't do their stuff or work their socks off and today illustrated perfectly that Eze, Olise and Wilf cannot always play together in every game. Hindsight is wonderful but Tomkins should have been replaced at half time, a second yellow was always a possibility, given the play acting of Mitrovic.
We need an overhaul, Ward, Ayew, Luka, Riedewald etc and to be honest planning for life post-Wilf is also probably needed. However, we appear arrogant in this respect especially if Mr Parish believes that 'we only need a couple of loans in January' - with the games coming up, we may well soon be in a real relegation battle.

Some of the comments here are unbelievable.

We started poorly but were growing into the game having weathered the early push by Fulham. That’s not unusual. Then we lost a goal. It happens.

The key turning point was the first red, but we were managing that, containing things and trusting on a breakaway or a late push.

The second red was ridiculous. It wasn’t even a foul. It was cheating which should have resulted in a red the other way, squaring things up from where we could easily have gone on to win. Why VAR didn’t overturn beats me. Tomorrow I will be with a Premier League Assistant Referee who is a mate and will ask him!!!He also works on the VAR.

It was a bad day all round but I expect it to be motivating too.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

so, its ok that we were shyte cos the other teams are shyter ?

not the referee.....it was our squad. The statistics were shockingly bad.

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

As bad a decision and example of blatent cheating that Tomkins sending off was, VAR still couldn't get involved as it was a yellow card offence and not a straight red.

We were poor to begin with today but at half time I opined to a fellow fan that I was not inconsolable with despair. Thought Mitchell’s red card was harsh and had the red given a yellow that might have stood but perhaps not. Tomkins second yellow was farcical however and that killed the game stone dead.

It was such a non event that upon arriving home I’m not even angry upset etc, left after their second which for all the world looked a handball to me and I had a good view, not really checked rest of comments or media yet however if that’s disputed or even disproved.

A shambolic game, I thought decisions were very poor on us and an absolute write off. I strongly suspect that could be the last we see of Tomkins. He looks as though he’s given up on playing and we’re it not for dire straits on our behalf and money on his I suspect he’d be long gone.

We desperately need depth and strengthening in January however I’m confident that will not come. The most disappointing thing today was the lack of fitness, sharpness but most of all general absence of any recognisable inclination to try and compete. The latter I can’t forget and whilst an almost comical script I really hate that we never, ever, look like the more determined team. Pure laziness and lack of professionalism.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!