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 Badger11  Beckenham 27 May 22 11.21am |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Literally yesterday the government picked up Labour's windfall tax proposal and called it their own. And people seriously question why the opposition wouldn't be more forthcoming with their own policy ideas with no GE in sight. A windfall tax is hardly original sure Labour suggested it first but it's been around for many years and been used by both parties. Labour can claim they said it first but they can't claim it as their own. Edited by Badger11 (27 May 2022 11.22am)
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 27 May 22 12.13pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
A windfall tax is hardly original sure Labour suggested it first but it's been around for many years and been used by both parties. Labour can claim they said it first but they can't claim it as their own. Edited by Badger11 (27 May 2022 11.22am) What, so it only counts as being decent opposition if Labour come up with entirely original proposals? Cmon... the Tories voted against a windfall tax a week ago and have now decided it's a good idea. I'd say that's a great example of being effective opposition.
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| Eaglecoops CR3 27 May 22 12.27pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
What, so it only counts as being decent opposition if Labour come up with entirely original proposals? Cmon... the Tories voted against a windfall tax a week ago and have now decided it's a good idea. I'd say that's a great example of being effective opposition. I tend to agree with this. The purpose of an effective opposition is to argue against policies and not individuals (something all sides should concern themselves more with). By getting the conservatives to about turn on the windfall tax is effective lobbying. However I would temper this by saying that Boris is currently getting desperate for public affection so a cynic would say he has only done this to try and win back some voters.
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Forest Hillbilly  in a hidey-hole 27 May 22 12.36pm |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
I tend to agree with this. The purpose of an effective opposition is to argue against policies and not individuals (something all sides should concern themselves more with). By getting the conservatives to about turn on the windfall tax is effective lobbying. However I would temper this by saying that Boris is currently getting desperate for public affection so a cynic would say he has only done this to try and win back some voters. I feel like a victim of abuse, being chucked a few beans and told "Sorry about that, It won't happen again" Peter Sutcliffe hasn't murdered anyone for ages now. Why shouldn't he go free, because he seems alright to me ?
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cryrst  The garden of England 27 May 22 12.56pm |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
I feel like a victim of abuse, being chucked a few beans and told "Sorry about that, It won't happen again" Peter Sutcliffe hasn't murdered anyone for ages now. Why shouldn't he go free, because he seems alright to me ? He is free. He’s dead !
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| cryrst The garden of England 27 May 22 1.00pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
What, so it only counts as being decent opposition if Labour come up with entirely original proposals? Cmon... the Tories voted against a windfall tax a week ago and have now decided it's a good idea. I'd say that's a great example of being effective opposition. What were the reasons against a windfall tax?
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| Eaglecoops CR3 27 May 22 1.27pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
What were the reasons against a windfall tax? Why should landlords be hit for a mode of investment choice which has already received a massive hit in the last few years due to the removal of tax relief on mortgages? I for one will sell up they start attacking the rental market again and then the properties will probably be sold into the owner occupied market. Net result, hey presto, massive shortage of rental properties available and rents will continue to rocket up. Are you sure this idea has been fully thought through?
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 27 May 22 1.43pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
What were the reasons against a windfall tax? The main reasons against are that it costs money and doesn't keep your industry donors very happy. I don't think the profit margins of Barry the landlord are comparable to BP.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 27 May 22 2.06pm |
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Originally posted by croydon proud
Just ask Matov- a CONservative- what he thinks, chuckle, There must be a village missing an idiot somewhere. Why not offer your services.
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Or doesn"t a CONservative voice count? chuckle.
| Badger11 Beckenham 27 May 22 3.23pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
What, so it only counts as being decent opposition if Labour come up with entirely original proposals? Cmon... the Tories voted against a windfall tax a week ago and have now decided it's a good idea. I'd say that's a great example of being effective opposition. Wanting to put up taxes, Labour has been singing that song for years now the so called Tories have joined them. I say so called because I don't recognise this Conservative party it's Blair's Labour Party. And before you say it yes the bloody Tories aught to come up with some original ideas they are the government after all.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 27 May 22 4.08pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Wanting to put up taxes, Labour has been singing that song for years now the so called Tories have joined them. I say so called because I don't recognise this Conservative party it's Blair's Labour Party. And before you say it yes the bloody Tories aught to come up with some original ideas they are the government after all. There's certainly truth in what you're saying re the parties - it's telling that the Tories windfall tax proposal was probably more generous than the Labour suggestion. Also worrying from a Labour point of view how painfully centrist they are trying to be, despite the obvious evidence of Corbyn's legacy that there is appetite for genuine left-wing policy amongst the electorate. I see Starmer as just Tory-lite and you see this government as similar to Blair's labour - probably says a lot as to why there are so many dissatisfied voters.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 27 May 22 4.13pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
There's certainly truth in what you're saying re the parties - it's telling that the Tories windfall tax proposal was probably more generous than the Labour suggestion. Also worrying from a Labour point of view how painfully centrist they are trying to be, despite the obvious evidence of Corbyn's legacy that there is appetite for genuine left-wing policy amongst the electorate. I see Starmer as just Tory-lite and you see this government as similar to Blair's labour - probably says a lot as to why there are so many dissatisfied voters. Agreed.
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