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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 25 Mar 22 3.26pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
These are word games. What matters is what the reality is....for example, stating that 30 percent of the people in an English area don't actually speak the language of the country is mind boggling......That's an amazing statistic for those that seem to celebrate multiculturalism....and proof of the historical lies told to the English about integration when mass immigration began. Regardless, to get back to reality being what's important here, your point about what has 'legal jurisdiction' matters much less than what actually happens. It wasn't 'legal' to tape the top forty off the radio, back in the day, however most people did it. How interested were the Police in that crime, even though it's on the books. What matters is what the reality is. With the importing of mass middle eastern cultures, not only do we have mass taking over of regions but with it we have the emergence of female genital mutilation....something that wasn't known to exist here, same with acid attacks and honour killings.....all imported cultural realities. No one was asked....This was forced onto the country and was never supported. Can you cite some examples of Sharia councils making legal rulings in the UK which superseded or overruled the law?
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Hrolf The Ganger 25 Mar 22 3.27pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
In you perhaps. I was just pointing out that calling something a "law", doesn't mean it has any legal implications. Maybe that's too difficult for you to understand though. Understanding insanity is always tricky. The idea that Sharia Law has no influence or control is bonkers. It is the 'rule of God' which you might not be aware, is quite important to most Muslims.
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Stirlingsays 25 Mar 22 5.09pm | |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Can you cite some examples of Sharia councils making legal rulings in the UK which superseded or overruled the law? I stated that Sharia is in operation in Britain. Why are you asking me for proof of something I never said? It really is taking the mick to ask someone to research an area you could yourself. Teddy provided a link earlier in the thread of instances which might have breached British law, read that if it interests you.
Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Mar 2022 5.19pm)
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 25 Mar 22 5.20pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Understanding insanity is always tricky. The idea that Sharia Law has no influence or control is bonkers. It is the 'rule of God' which you might not be aware, is quite important to most Muslims.
It's NOT the law. If people are influenced by it, or allow it to control their lives, they do so voluntarily. Supporting Palace has that impact on some people.
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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 25 Mar 22 5.23pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I started that Sharia is in operation in Britain. Why are you asking me for proof of something I never said? It really is taking the mick to ask someone to research an area you could yourself. Teddy provided a link earlier in the thread of instances which might have breached British law, read that if it interests you.
Taking the mick is throwing around soundbites and then refusing to support it with anything - second time in 2 days your response to me is basically "I'm not your researcher" - I'm not asking for the sake of it, you make claims that I can't seem to verify anywhere. I've been looking at plenty of links myself on the subject today and genuinely can find very little to support what you're suggesting - they all reference Sharia councils used in Muslim divorce procedures, and they all confirm it has absolutely no legal jurisdiction in the country. Teddy's link was interesting but more of an argument as to why Sharia law is incompatible with British law and therefore shouldn't be incorporated, which I agree with - if anything, it supports the position that it is currently not incorporated with the law.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 25 Mar 22 5.26pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I stated that Sharia is in operation in Britain. Why are you asking me for proof of something I never said? It really is taking the mick to ask someone to research an area you could yourself. Teddy provided a link earlier in the thread of instances which might have breached British law, read that if it interests you.
Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Mar 2022 5.19pm) That's a different issue. If actions taken as a consequence of someone following a ruling made under Sharia breaches the law, then it's those actions which are illegal. Why they were taken is irrelevant. The law is the law. And that's NOT Sharia. Maybe that's too subtle a distinction for you, though. Sharia law is not in operation in Britain.
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PalazioVecchio south pole 25 Mar 22 6.02pm | |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Can you cite some examples of Sharia councils making legal rulings in the UK which superseded or overruled the law? why do you think it would be in the public domain ? or a matter of public discourse ? when Mr Khan is told to cede control of his corner shop to Mrs Khan ? or whatever other rulings of a Court behind closed doors. and can we expect Mr Khan to incur the wrath of his local community if he chooses to ignore the dictates of the local tribal elders ?
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Stirlingsays 25 Mar 22 6.29pm | |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Taking the mick is throwing around soundbites and then refusing to support it with anything - second time in 2 days your response to me is basically "I'm not your researcher" - I'm not asking for the sake of it, you make claims that I can't seem to verify anywhere. I've been looking at plenty of links myself on the subject today and genuinely can find very little to support what you're suggesting - they all reference Sharia councils used in Muslim divorce procedures, and they all confirm it has absolutely no legal jurisdiction in the country. Teddy's link was interesting but more of an argument as to why Sharia law is incompatible with British law and therefore shouldn't be incorporated, which I agree with - if anything, it supports the position that it is currently not incorporated with the law. Errr....state the claims I made that can't be verified.
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Stirlingsays 25 Mar 22 6.33pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That's a different issue. If actions taken as a consequence of someone following a ruling made under Sharia breaches the law, then it's those actions which are illegal. Why they were taken is irrelevant. The law is the law. And that's NOT Sharia. Maybe that's too subtle a distinction for you, though. Sharia law is not in operation in Britain.
Much as I stated before, they would laugh at you....and as you're a clown in my view, that would be appropriate.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 25 Mar 22 7.09pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Much as I stated before, they would laugh at you....and as you're a clown in my view, that would be appropriate. What bit of "it's not the law" do you not understand? Sharia councils only help settle disputes if the parties agree they can, and even then there is no legal obligation to accept any decisions. Cultural conventions and pressures are another issue completely. That we need to do more, inform more and support those who don't want to participate, especially women, is undoubtedly true. It's the legal position that is under discussion. Not the cultural.
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Stirlingsays 25 Mar 22 7.18pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
What bit of "it's not the law" do you not understand? Sharia councils only help settle disputes if the parties agree they can, and even then there is no legal obligation to accept any decisions. Cultural conventions and pressures are another issue completely. That we need to do more, inform more and support those who don't want to participate, especially women, is undoubtedly true. It's the legal position that is under discussion. Not the cultural. I wrote, 'As for Sharia, it's already operating in the country.' I did not write into points relating to British law or any of the rest of it. That is what you have done. You want to muddy the waters and pretend that Sharia isn't operating.....playing with language as you usually do. I stated a fact, Sharia rulings are laid down and issued by Sharia councils in this country. This was done precisely because an imported community wished for that to be the case. Please go into these councils and argue your point to them....I'm sure they would give you the appropriate response. As for me, this will be my last comment on this matter to you.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 25 Mar 22 7.58pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I wrote, 'As for Sharia, it's already operating in the country.' I did not write into points relating to British law or any of the rest of it. That is what you have done. You want to muddy the waters and pretend that Sharia isn't operating.....playing with language as you usually do. I stated a fact, Sharia rulings are laid down and issued by Sharia councils in this country. This was done precisely because an imported community wished for that to be the case. Please go into these councils and argue your point to them....I'm sure they would give you the appropriate response. As for me, this will be my last comment on this matter to you. You have been caught out and, as usual, instead of admitting it, you just carry on doubling down. This is a very unfortunate part of public life these days and shameful to witness here. The comment you responded to was this:- Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow "No, you’re right - I’ll just express engineered outrage every time I’m fed a headline of something that ‘may’ happen (even though it obviously won’t happen). When are they rolling out Sharia law?" To which you responded:- "You have an opinion, I think it's highly obvious that it's the wrong one over time. As for Sharia, it's already operating in the country." If you respond to a statement, then any amount of wriggling doesn't change things. You even admitted, in a subsequent post, that Sharia and Sharia law are the same thing! Sharia Councils can rule that the sky is green if they wish, but it won't make it so. All they can is help people reach agreements. They cannot legally enforce anything. That a community wants a form of arbitration and mediation they are comfortable with is a completely separate matter. It doesn't make it the law.
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