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eagleman13 Flag On The Road To Hell & Alicante 28 Jan 22 12.00pm Send a Private Message to eagleman13 Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add eagleman13 as a friend

Originally posted by Sansbup

Come to think of it, that's their fans main chant. Now we know why...

 


This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

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jabber Flag pease pottage 28 Jan 22 12.24pm Send a Private Message to jabber Add jabber as a friend

Don't lose sight of this VAR didn't get the decisions wrong Friend and Pawson did. VAR showed correctly one was offside and secondly it wasn't a penalty.

 

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CrazyBadger Flag Ware 28 Jan 22 12.55pm Send a Private Message to CrazyBadger Add CrazyBadger as a friend

Originally posted by Slimey Toad

Dermot Gallagher's opinion on Sky Watch posted here argues that a subjective decision was made on Firmino's impact on interfering with the game.

Fair enough, most of life can be subjective. But if the VAR controller subjectively thinks that if Firmino wasn't standing in the six yard box waiting for a cross to attack Mitchell would still be standing there on his own like a lemon instead of back-tracking to Oxlade Chamblerain behind him, then they should be sacked.

Think this is a moot point. you Can't simply say 'If he wasn't there', more 'If he was there, but in an ONside position' which means Mitchell's position wouldn't have changed that much. It was the fact that Firmino challenged for the ball and by doing so made him active and thus Offside.

 


"It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

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doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 28 Jan 22 12.57pm Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by jabber

Don't lose sight of this VAR didn't get the decisions wrong Friend and Pawson did. VAR showed correctly one was offside and secondly it wasn't a penalty.


To be fair to Friend:
- He couldn't do anything about the offside because the linesman didn't flag it and Pawson didn't call it.
- Re the penalty, he made the right decision initially, but then, as has been subsequently, revealed, once he was called by Pawson to review it he was REQUIRED by the new VAR rules handed down by the powers to be to go with the reviewer, Pawson. I do wonder whether he really believed it was a penalty but simply went with the VAR flow so as not to risk being reprimanded by his bosses.

Having said that, his early warning to Gallagher (first tackle in first minute), his reluctance to punish Liverpool fouls and his response to the Olise injury do leave a bad taste in the mouth.

All-in-all it was an awful all round performance by the match officials - the worst I've ever seen, in fact.

Edited by doombear (28 Jan 2022 12.58pm)

 

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Spiderman Flag Horsham 28 Jan 22 3.04pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by doombear


To be fair to Friend:
- He couldn't do anything about the offside because the linesman didn't flag it and Pawson didn't call it.
- Re the penalty, he made the right decision initially, but then, as has been subsequently, revealed, once he was called by Pawson to review it he was REQUIRED by the new VAR rules handed down by the powers to be to go with the reviewer, Pawson. I do wonder whether he really believed it was a penalty but simply went with the VAR flow so as not to risk being reprimanded by his bosses.

Having said that, his early warning to Gallagher (first tackle in first minute), his reluctance to punish Liverpool fouls and his response to the Olise injury do leave a bad taste in the mouth.

All-in-all it was an awful all round performance by the match officials - the worst I've ever seen, in fact.

Edited by doombear (28 Jan 2022 12.58pm)

And his smug grin at half-time and when not awarding Palace a handball

 

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Phil’s Barber Flag Crowborough 28 Jan 22 3.11pm Send a Private Message to Phil’s Barber Add Phil’s Barber as a friend

Originally posted by jabber

Don't lose sight of this VAR didn't get the decisions wrong Friend and Pawson did. VAR showed correctly one was offside and secondly it wasn't a penalty.

VAR = Video Assistant Referee…who was Pawson, so VAR did get the decision wrong.

VAR is just awful, hasn’t eradicated bad decisions and is killing the game in terms of excitement, euphoria, atmosphere and enjoyment. The whole system / process in its current form is just suffocating the game.

Edited by Phil’s Barber (28 Jan 2022 3.15pm)

 

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peterg Flag Anerley 29 Jan 22 1.59pm Send a Private Message to peterg Add peterg as a friend

Originally posted by Phil’s Barber

VAR = Video Assistant Referee…who was Pawson, so VAR did get the decision wrong.

VAR is just awful, hasn’t eradicated bad decisions and is killing the game in terms of excitement, euphoria, atmosphere and enjoyment. The whole system / process in its current form is just suffocating the game.

Edited by Phil’s Barber (28 Jan 2022 3.15pm)


That's not really true, as VAR saves us from bad ref mistakes. However it is totally true about what happened v Liverpool, when the two refs' decision-making was abysmal. They should have decided after a couple of viewings that there was no clear penalty and left it there. To view it 17 times was absurd, suggesting at best it was a 50:50 call so they should stick to Friend's original no-pen call. But these refs were clearly inept as they did not know the wording of the offside rule either.

 


The right place at the right time

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NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 29 Jan 22 2.19pm Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by peterg


That's not really true, as VAR saves us from bad ref mistakes. However it is totally true about what happened v Liverpool, when the two refs' decision-making was abysmal. They should have decided after a couple of viewings that there was no clear penalty and left it there. To view it 17 times was absurd, suggesting at best it was a 50:50 call so they should stick to Friend's original no-pen call. But these refs were clearly inept as they did not know the wording of the offside rule either.

If that was the case it suggests Pawson was going looking for something rather than it be a clear and obvious error by the referee.

As I've said before, we used to accept that bad refereeing decisions would even themselves out over the course of the season. I now feel that's the case with VAR

 


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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 29 Jan 22 2.28pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by NEILLO

If that was the case it suggests Pawson was going looking for something rather than it be a clear and obvious error by the referee.

As I've said before, we used to accept that bad refereeing decisions would even themselves out over the course of the season. I now feel that's the case with VAR

The consensus appears to be that Jota initiated contact with Guaita by running into him.

I believe that I mentioned on HOL that it would appear that Pawson has deemed that it was Guaita who rolled over and used his left arm to take down Jota hence he felt that the referee committed a clear and obvious error in not identifying the foul.
Of course I really don't know what was in the mindset of Pawson so mere speculation on my part.

 

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southnorwoodhill Flag 29 Jan 22 2.30pm Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

Originally posted by NEILLO

If that was the case it suggests Pawson was going looking for something rather than it be a clear and obvious error by the referee.

As I've said before, we used to accept that bad refereeing decisions would even themselves out over the course of the season. I now feel that's the case with VAR

I see your point, but another team and set of fans will be aggrieved by the ineptitude of the officials. I was under the impression that VAR was to be used to make the correct call, obviously not - whoever the VAR official is has complete power over the entire game, more so than the ref on the pitch...

Edited by southnorwoodhill (29 Jan 2022 4.04pm)

 

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 29 Jan 22 2.35pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

I see yur point, but another team and set of fans will be aggrieved by the ineptitude of the officials. I was under the impression that VAR was to be used to make the correct call, obviously not - whoever the VAR official is has complete power over the entire game, more so than the ref on the pitch...

I never felt that VAR was going to be a panacea for the mere fact that subjective decisions would be made in certain circumstances and whenever there is subjectivity there is always the risk of inconsistency and controversy.

 

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the silurian Flag The garden of England.(not really) 29 Jan 22 2.36pm Send a Private Message to the silurian Add the silurian as a friend

Originally posted by NEILLO

If that was the case it suggests Pawson was going looking for something rather than it be a clear and obvious error by the referee.

As I've said before, we used to accept that bad refereeing decisions would even themselves out over the course of the season. I now feel that's the case with VAR

Brown envelope full of cash maybe?

 

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