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Why Can't The French Stop Them Coming?
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 nead1  11 Sep 21 11.27am |
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What DanH outlines is correct. If you look at the migration into France as an example, it comes in the main from the old French colonies in West Africa - similar in Belgium. Re the UK, it is easy to forget that it was London Transport - back in the day, who actively went out to the WI and recruited people to deal with the labour shortages in the UK at that time - 1960's.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 11 Sep 21 12.06pm |
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Originally posted by nead1
What DanH outlines is correct. If you look at the migration into France as an example, it comes in the main from the old French colonies in West Africa - similar in Belgium. Re the UK, it is easy to forget that it was London Transport - back in the day, who actively went out to the WI and recruited people to deal with the labour shortages in the UK at that time - 1960's. So your basis for policy going forward is allowing people from formers colonies to come here en masse and condemn the existing population to oblivion? No thanks.
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| Stirlingsays 11 Sep 21 1.24pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
Really? I loved Tintin and Asterix when I was a little boy learning French. You speak Frog?
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| Stirlingsays 11 Sep 21 1.29pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
But the future is intrinsically linked to the past. You can’t just forget about and ignore all what went before when it comes to the make up of this country. When it comes to immigration into this country you want to ignore the fact that half the world speaks English because we used to own it and many refugees want to come here because we played a big part in them having to flee their own country because it’s gone tits up and they feel like we’re on their side. Utter nonsense.
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| Stirlingsays 11 Sep 21 1.30pm |
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Originally posted by nead1
What DanH outlines is correct. If you look at the migration into France as an example, it comes in the main from the old French colonies in West Africa - similar in Belgium. Re the UK, it is easy to forget that it was London Transport - back in the day, who actively went out to the WI and recruited people to deal with the labour shortages in the UK at that time - 1960's. With zero public support. What the elites do is not our responsibility. If someone related to me does a crime, I'm not to blame for it. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Sep 2021 1.32pm)
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| nead1 11 Sep 21 2.39pm |
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Frankly I am amazed that in the middle of the most exciting Palace game in years, you find time to post about elites! For me, this site should be about football and not an opportunity for people to express all kinds of often very extreme political biases. What a contrast it is with Five Year Plan. Shame really.
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 becky over the moon 11 Sep 21 2.48pm |
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Originally posted by nead1
Frankly I am amazed that in the middle of the most exciting Palace game in years, you find time to post about elites! For me, this site should be about football and not an opportunity for people to express all kinds of often very extreme political biases. What a contrast it is with Five Year Plan. Shame really. There are 6 threads football related: The other 3 are non football, so it's pretty much a Palace/football site. Pays your money and takes your choice, as it were
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| Stirlingsays 11 Sep 21 3.01pm |
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Originally posted by becky
There are 6 threads football related: The other 3 are non football, so it's pretty much a Palace/football site. Pays your money and takes your choice, as it were Very true, the politics forum isn't even the site's main focus. Chap posts a political point and then complains when it's not agreed with. Comme si comme sa.
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| Stirlingsays 11 Sep 21 3.11pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
If history has any effect on the future it is that it should be used to avoid making the same mistakes again. Mass immigration has been a massive mistake, and if you want to use an example of what happens to a culture when it is overwhelmed by foreigners, then look at the Roman Empire. The people who wish to make Europe and America outposts of Asia, Africa, Mexico and the rest are part of organisations that wish to profit from it. They care not for the bigger picture for the rest of us. Their bigger picture starts and ends with self interest. They have created the illusion of idealism so we all play along. Nail struck squarely on the head sir.
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kuge  Peckham 11 Sep 21 5.39pm |
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More accurately Hrolf missed the nail and hit his thumb. The fall of the Roman Empire came about for many reasons, immigration was absolutely not one of them. In fact, the reverse was the case. Rome was always a relatively open culture as regards immigration and assimilation. Gibbson placed a significant proportion of the blame on the influence of Christianity, inequality and general fecklessness. Climate change has also been cited as an important factor. The barbarian invasions exploited weaknesses that originated within the empire. History shows us that invasion and mass immigration has been constant throughout time. These invasions generally tend to be good for the invader and poor for the current inhabitants. Britain has seen successive waves of immigration by Romans, Dans, Saxons, Angles, Normans, etc Each group have brought something new and enriched the culture. Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Nail struck squarely on the head sir.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 11 Sep 21 5.57pm |
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Originally posted by kuge
More accurately Hrolf missed the nail and hit his thumb. The fall of the Roman Empire came about for many reasons, immigration was absolutely not one of them. In fact, the reverse was the case. Rome was always a relatively open culture as regards immigration and assimilation. Gibbson placed a significant proportion of the blame on the influence of Christianity, inequality and general fecklessness. Climate change has also been cited as an important factor. The barbarian invasions exploited weaknesses that originated within the empire. History shows us that invasion and mass immigration has been constant throughout time. These invasions generally tend to be good for the invader and poor for the current inhabitants. Britain has seen successive waves of immigration by Romans, Dans, Saxons, Angles, Normans, etc Each group have brought something new and enriched the culture. Rome filled up with foreigners. Those that ruled were corrupt and or incompetent. The commonality that held Rome together evaporated. Although previous migration and invasions are not in any way comparable to the events of the last 30 years, it is true that none of them were good for the existing inhabitance and the current invasion will be no different x 100.
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| Stirlingsays 11 Sep 21 6.01pm |
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Originally posted by kuge
More accurately Hrolf missed the nail and hit his thumb. The fall of the Roman Empire came about for many reasons, immigration was absolutely not one of them. In fact, the reverse was the case. Rome was always a relatively open culture as regards immigration and assimilation. Gibbson placed a significant proportion of the blame on the influence of Christianity, inequality and general fecklessness. Climate change has also been cited as an important factor. The barbarian invasions exploited weaknesses that originated within the empire. History shows us that invasion and mass immigration has been constant throughout time. These invasions generally tend to be good for the invader and poor for the current inhabitants. Britain has seen successive waves of immigration by Romans, Dans, Saxons, Angles, Normans, etc Each group have brought something new and enriched the culture. I think leftists will always claim that high immigration into regions from very different cultures doesn't affect social cohesion even when the results are plain for anyone objective to see. It's a basic attempt to see the world as they wish it to be rather than the more human reality. What happened to Rome is obvious, however I'd agree to the extent that immigration wasn't the only factor in its downfall..for example, its enemies had learnt from them militarily.....but to deny its affects is purely a political stance. As for the absurdist attempt to portray the European immigrations of the past, which only happened as the result of fought wars.....with the numbers and global nature of today. The stretch far out reaches the limits of the elastic.
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